CUBASE 6 MAJOR PROBLEMS!!!!!

Elektrobolt · July 17, 2011, 3:57pm

Conman:

Too many people who are “not too savvy” buy Cubase or other DAW software and expect it to work just because it’s “a computer program”.

When you buy a DAW you have to look at it exactly like setting up any analog studio. Everything connected to it; computer, components of the computer, interfaces, right down to monitors and leads. The whole system.
You need to do research into every part and not just reach for the wallet when the software makes you go “WOW!” from the ads.
You still need to be a reasonable computer engineer or know someone who is to be able to put it all together and have it work reliably.
And, a lesson I learned to my cost. You must when something drastic goes wrong first ask yourself whether it’s you or the machine because about 60% of the time it’s the human error to blame.
It’s easy to blame the machine or the software. I still do it all the time until I realise that last time I hoovered the cat I unplugged the mixer and forgot to put it back and that’s why no sound.

Important: Cubase takes about three years to master and that’s with a modicum of audio / computer engineering savvy.
It does not ever say this in the ads, on the boxes or in the manual.

“Everything you need to…” is certainly not everything you need.

Totally agree with Conman.

Since computers are “generic” in terms of software, meaning, you CAN build a computer (hardware) made for a specific purpose, but most people don’t. They throw a “super” CPU, enormous hard drive (which anymore, isn’t necessarily so) and blam, think their ready to go. They forgot the motherboard or memory, or bought “cheap” memory vs adequately fast, or didn’t check up on that serial controller is onboard to match audio card or external audio boxes, etc.

With all these options out on the market (I am talking hardware parts for computers still) one has to contend that there is a certain standard that software will be written for. I mean, it would be nice if software could be written to run on ALL possible combinations, but that is just not a feasible expectation. It really would be the same as saying that car parts should fit ANY car, which is absurd, because they do NOT! lol

For example, about memory (RAM), with a 32-bit system it does not REALLY matter how much you put in your system, because only 4 GB’s can be “addressed”. What this ultimately means is that only that amount of space or memory locations can be used. Consider, if you will, a long road and how the governement does street numbering. In the USA it’s common to use 100 locations for each “block” (the space between two major cross streets), so if someone had a limit of 4 digits (compare to bits), then you would have a limited range of addresses for that road 9999 North/West to 9999 South/East, that’s it. If you upped to say 8 digits, the range of possible locations increase significantly. This is why the bit size, or width, is important and why 64-bit REALLY makes a difference in terms of music computing, since audio samples eat up loads of RAM that has to be “addressed” in real-time.

matjones · July 17, 2011, 5:21pm

Elektrobolt:

Conman:

Too many people who are “not too savvy” buy Cubase or other DAW software and expect it to work just because it’s “a computer program”.

When you buy a DAW you have to look at it exactly like setting up any analog studio. Everything connected to it; computer, components of the computer, interfaces, right down to monitors and leads. The whole system.
You need to do research into every part and not just reach for the wallet when the software makes you go “WOW!” from the ads.
You still need to be a reasonable computer engineer or know someone who is to be able to put it all together and have it work reliably.
And, a lesson I learned to my cost. You must when something drastic goes wrong first ask yourself whether it’s you or the machine because about 60% of the time it’s the human error to blame.
It’s easy to blame the machine or the software. I still do it all the time until I realise that last time I hoovered the cat I unplugged the mixer and forgot to put it back and that’s why no sound.

Important: Cubase takes about three years to master and that’s with a modicum of audio / computer engineering savvy.
It does not ever say this in the ads, on the boxes or in the manual.

“Everything you need to…” is certainly not everything you need.

Totally agree with Conman.

Since computers are “generic” in terms of software, meaning, you CAN build a computer (hardware) made for a specific purpose, but most people don’t. They throw a “super” CPU, enormous hard drive (which anymore, isn’t necessarily so) and blam, think their ready to go. They forgot the motherboard or memory, or bought “cheap” memory vs adequately fast, or didn’t check up on that serial controller is onboard to match audio card or external audio boxes, etc.

With all these options out on the market (I am talking hardware parts for computers still) one has to contend that there is a certain standard that software will be written for. I mean, it would be nice if software could be written to run on ALL possible combinations, but that is just not a feasible expectation. It really would be the same as saying that car parts should fit ANY car, which is absurd, because they do NOT! lol

For example, about memory (RAM), with a 32-bit system it does not REALLY matter how much you put in your system, because only 4 GB’s can be “addressed”. What this ultimately means is that only that amount of space or memory locations can be used. Consider, if you will, a long road and how the governement does street numbering. In the USA it’s common to use 100 locations for each “block” (the space between two major cross streets), so if someone had a limit of 4 digits (compare to bits), then you would have a limited range of addresses for that road 9999 North/West to 9999 South/East, that’s it. If you upped to say 8 digits, the range of possible locations increase significantly. This is why the bit size, or width, is important and why 64-bit REALLY makes a difference in terms of music computing, since audio samples eat up loads of RAM that has to be “addressed” in real-time.

Yep!
agree with all of the above!!

the thing is… in the ‘good old days’ before DAWs when things were pretty much all analogue there was no way, just like today really, that you could operate the whole studio properly without some kind of study and or experience…
here in the UK the general route to becoming a sound engineer required at least 3 years at somewhere like Sandwell Tech and then another 3 or 4 assisting or gofering… NOTHING has changed in that respect!! And lots of people can’t or won’t accept that… shame really.

I think a lot of programs like ejay and reason to some extent lull people into a false sense of security that the whole business of producing finished recordings can be picked up in a few evenings… just an observation from MANY people i know personally in RL.

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 8:43pm

I expect this is the problem at the moment… looks like I have to get 64 bit asap. Thanks.

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 8:45pm

The VST that i was first using and wanted to duplicate was a simple drum kit. It had many plugins though, distortion VST amp rack and etc.

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 8:46pm

The amount of ram still usuably is around 30-40% while cubase is running.

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 8:47pm

ah well what can you do? haha looks like I’m grinding for 64bit! Thanks.

savadious · July 17, 2011, 8:52pm

10 of the last 10 posts all 100% agree that RAM could be your issue… They are all Cubase users and 100% united in agreement on that subject.

You are at the BARE MINIMUM of RAM requirements. That is just about enough to start your system up and toy with recording - not much more

-Remember windows 7 Ultimate needs to reserve a chunk of ram itself - the rest is left for Cubase. You have 3.x gigs free in WIn7/32bit… windows takes at LEAST 1 gig… so you have up to 2gig left for Cubase…

2Gigs is listed as the bare minimum to start Cubase alone. How much RAM is left over for your Virtual Instruments now?
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/cubase6_specs_downloads.html

Let us know how it goes after at least doubling that RAM

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:01pm

ZING!!!

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:08pm

Conman:

SINERGI:

fried brains:

a word of wisdom - computer ram has about 4 main parameters - this seem like a possible problem of mismatch. check exact specific from a gigabyte and compare with ram. board should do fine, gigabyte is rock solid, but if for example you put error correcting code ram on a board that requires different everything will work until you go to do some specific work like audio bounce, this flower will happen. even ram check will show okay.

thanks for the feedback although im not too savy when it comes to computer tech and such…
how can i check what kinda of ram i have or what you are talkin about exactly. xD thanks!

This is your main problem and a perennial one for many who blame the software for computer malfunction.

Too many people who are “not too savvy” buy Cubase or other DAW software and expect it to work just because it’s “a computer program”.

When you buy a DAW you have to look at it exactly like setting up any analog studio. Everything connected to it; computer, components of the computer, interfaces, right down to monitors and leads. The whole system.
You need to do research into every part and not just reach for the wallet when the software makes you go “WOW!” from the ads.
You still need to be a reasonable computer engineer or know someone who is to be able to put it all together and have it work reliably.
And, a lesson I learned to my cost. You must when something drastic goes wrong first ask yourself whether it’s you or the machine because about 60% of the time it’s the human error to blame.
It’s easy to blame the machine or the software. I still do it all the time until I realise that last time I hoovered the cat I unplugged the mixer and forgot to put it back and that’s why no sound.

Important: Cubase takes about three years to master and that’s with a modicum of audio / computer engineering savvy.
It does not ever say this in the ads, on the boxes or in the manual.

“Everything you need to…” is certainly not everything you need.

Thank you for taking the time to reply first of all! Wise words bud, I am saving up to make a computer strictly for my music. At the moment I am borrowing a friends computer because it was a major upgrade from my laptop that I used for my 3 first projects. Even though this computer isn’t that good spec wise… It still is more than enough than the recommended specs on the box. It should say something like “cubase 6 will have many issues with these recommended specs…” lol…
Well I have to work on getting a new computer and work with 64bit cause these setbacks are annoying and I got music to make! Thanks again for the feedback.

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:11pm

Elektrobolt:

Conman:

Too many people who are “not too savvy” buy Cubase or other DAW software and expect it to work just because it’s “a computer program”.

When you buy a DAW you have to look at it exactly like setting up any analog studio. Everything connected to it; computer, components of the computer, interfaces, right down to monitors and leads. The whole system.
You need to do research into every part and not just reach for the wallet when the software makes you go “WOW!” from the ads.
You still need to be a reasonable computer engineer or know someone who is to be able to put it all together and have it work reliably.
And, a lesson I learned to my cost. You must when something drastic goes wrong first ask yourself whether it’s you or the machine because about 60% of the time it’s the human error to blame.
It’s easy to blame the machine or the software. I still do it all the time until I realise that last time I hoovered the cat I unplugged the mixer and forgot to put it back and that’s why no sound.

Important: Cubase takes about three years to master and that’s with a modicum of audio / computer engineering savvy.
It does not ever say this in the ads, on the boxes or in the manual.

“Everything you need to…” is certainly not everything you need.

Totally agree with Conman.

Since computers are “generic” in terms of software, meaning, you CAN build a computer (hardware) made for a specific purpose, but most people don’t. They throw a “super” CPU, enormous hard drive (which anymore, isn’t necessarily so) and blam, think their ready to go. They forgot the motherboard or memory, or bought “cheap” memory vs adequately fast, or didn’t check up on that serial controller is onboard to match audio card or external audio boxes, etc.

With all these options out on the market (I am talking hardware parts for computers still) one has to contend that there is a certain standard that software will be written for. I mean, it would be nice if software could be written to run on ALL possible combinations, but that is just not a feasible expectation. It really would be the same as saying that car parts should fit ANY car, which is absurd, because they do NOT! lol

For example, about memory (RAM), with a 32-bit system it does not REALLY matter how much you put in your system, because only 4 GB’s can be “addressed”. What this ultimately means is that only that amount of space or memory locations can be used. Consider, if you will, a long road and how the governement does street numbering. In the USA it’s common to use 100 locations for each “block” (the space between two major cross streets), so if someone had a limit of 4 digits (compare to bits), then you would have a limited range of addresses for that road 9999 North/West to 9999 South/East, that’s it. If you upped to say 8 digits, the range of possible locations increase significantly. This is why the bit size, or width, is important and why 64-bit REALLY makes a difference in terms of music computing, since audio samples eat up loads of RAM that has to be “addressed” in real-time.

I agree with a lot of what has been said on this post… If I were the one to help put this desktop together these problems wouldn’t have occured:P but again I am borrowing a friends computer cause it was a huge upgrade from my laptop.
Well anyways thanks for the reply time to grind out a 64 bit comp!

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:14pm

matjones:

Elektrobolt:

Conman:

Too many people who are “not too savvy” buy Cubase or other DAW software and expect it to work just because it’s “a computer program”.

When you buy a DAW you have to look at it exactly like setting up any analog studio. Everything connected to it; computer, components of the computer, interfaces, right down to monitors and leads. The whole system.
You need to do research into every part and not just reach for the wallet when the software makes you go “WOW!” from the ads.
You still need to be a reasonable computer engineer or know someone who is to be able to put it all together and have it work reliably.
And, a lesson I learned to my cost. You must when something drastic goes wrong first ask yourself whether it’s you or the machine because about 60% of the time it’s the human error to blame.
It’s easy to blame the machine or the software. I still do it all the time until I realise that last time I hoovered the cat I unplugged the mixer and forgot to put it back and that’s why no sound.

Important: Cubase takes about three years to master and that’s with a modicum of audio / computer engineering savvy.
It does not ever say this in the ads, on the boxes or in the manual.

“Everything you need to…” is certainly not everything you need.

Totally agree with Conman.

Since computers are “generic” in terms of software, meaning, you CAN build a computer (hardware) made for a specific purpose, but most people don’t. They throw a “super” CPU, enormous hard drive (which anymore, isn’t necessarily so) and blam, think their ready to go. They forgot the motherboard or memory, or bought “cheap” memory vs adequately fast, or didn’t check up on that serial controller is onboard to match audio card or external audio boxes, etc.

With all these options out on the market (I am talking hardware parts for computers still) one has to contend that there is a certain standard that software will be written for. I mean, it would be nice if software could be written to run on ALL possible combinations, but that is just not a feasible expectation. It really would be the same as saying that car parts should fit ANY car, which is absurd, because they do NOT! lol

For example, about memory (RAM), with a 32-bit system it does not REALLY matter how much you put in your system, because only 4 GB’s can be “addressed”. What this ultimately means is that only that amount of space or memory locations can be used. Consider, if you will, a long road and how the governement does street numbering. In the USA it’s common to use 100 locations for each “block” (the space between two major cross streets), so if someone had a limit of 4 digits (compare to bits), then you would have a limited range of addresses for that road 9999 North/West to 9999 South/East, that’s it. If you upped to say 8 digits, the range of possible locations increase significantly. This is why the bit size, or width, is important and why 64-bit REALLY makes a difference in terms of music computing, since audio samples eat up loads of RAM that has to be “addressed” in real-time.

Yep!
agree with all of the above!!

the thing is… in the ‘good old days’ before DAWs when things were pretty much all analogue there was no way, just like today really, that you could operate the whole studio properly without some kind of study and or experience…
here in the UK the general route to becoming a sound engineer required at least 3 years at somewhere like Sandwell Tech and then another 3 or 4 assisting or gofering… NOTHING has changed in that respect!! And lots of people can’t or won’t accept that… shame really.

I think a lot of programs like ejay and reason to some extent lull people into a false sense of security that the whole business of producing finished recordings can be picked up in a few evenings… just an observation from MANY people i know personally in RL.

Well almost every computer program with “recommended specs” should in my honest opinion should say a little more… even “with these recommended specs you may encounter a few issues” but they don’t because it is money business. What can you do eh?

savadious · July 17, 2011, 9:15pm

AAAH its understandable now…

In that case - do everything you can do to minimize RAM usage…

Turn off ALL extra features in Windows 7 before using Cubase (Turn off AERO, set windows to BEST PERFORMANCE MODE instead of best looks, etc)
FREEZE every new track you record - then it does not eat your memory and basically they play back like MP3’s
Remove the desktop wallpaper of an ALien Head (all Trance producers have some form of an Alien Head for their desktop image)

4. Maybe buy RAM for YOUR system when you can for under $100 USD and let your friend put it in his system until you get yours built. Then you both win !

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:18pm

savadious:

savadious:

… VSTi will eat up memory fast…

10 of the last 10 posts all 100% agree that RAM could be your issue… They are all Cubase users and 100% united in agreement on that subject.

You are at the BARE MINIMUM of RAM requirements. That is just about enough to start your system up and toy with recording - not much more

-Remember windows 7 Ultimate needs to reserve a chunk of ram itself - the rest is left for Cubase. You have 3.x gigs free in WIn7/32bit… windows takes at LEAST 1 gig… so you have up to 2gig left for Cubase…

2Gigs is listed as the bare minimum to start Cubase alone. How much RAM is left over for your Virtual Instruments now?
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/cubase6_specs_downloads.html

Let us know how it goes after at least doubling that RAM

Yea I can make a good assumption it is the RAM
The desktop is running 32bit so no point to even upgrade the ram for the time being, what I need to do is build a computer! Thanks for the reply!

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:21pm

Yea I have done most of these things already I will try to turn off all the services through “msconfig” aswell…
No point to buy ram as 32bit will only allow less than 4gb. =/

savadious · July 17, 2011, 9:27pm

Good point…

Good luck…

OOH… dont forget to remove the Alien… helped me a whole lot

BTW - I used Vanguard…and now Nexus2 whats is your VSTi of choice

SINERGI · July 17, 2011, 9:58pm

thanks again bud. haha
I am just using what cubase has to offer haven’t downloaded any other VSTs/plugins.
Cubase is one powerful DAW can’t wait to work with it seriously!

Elektrobolt · July 17, 2011, 10:08pm

Just FYI, since you are in the process:

SINERGI · July 18, 2011, 8:45am

thanks for that bud.

msy · July 18, 2011, 9:17am

If I were you I would make a clean installation of Windows 7 (64bit) and re-install Cubase after that.
Seems something in your system is not as it should be.

SINERGI · July 19, 2011, 4:52am

yea… sadly that cost more money! ah well I’m saving to build myself a new computer for strictly music!