Cubase and Nuendo dropping Project Browser

100% agree with this. Adding on any menu changes, like if a menu moved to a different location. Davinci/Fairlight is horrible at this and I sometimes see it with Nuendo.

“Hey guys, we moved half our menus…good luck finding them!” :joy:

They have a release note that explains it

For your convenience:

Discontinued features and services

Project Browser

The Project Browser will be discontinued, as of Cubase 13. Originally designed as a debugging tool for our development, from a technical point of view, it was no longer feasible to maintain the Project Browser with its current design, which is why we decided to invest the time and resources in more popular features of the application.

Which is unfortunately not linked on the (download) page. So I only see it once I have installed the software. Not everyone uses the trial version first, so they only find out when it is “too late”.
We use software from vendors who announce such things in advance by attaching a document to a version of the software stating that “Feature XY” will no longer be available in the next update. I think that’s a good approach.

I’ve been using SB DAW’s since the start of the company and have never used, or even heard of, the Project Browser! I think I can manage without it.

Fair enough, but the release notes are the first thing I read before I buy any update.
Maybe that is not the norm but for me there is no other way for keeping a system up and running.
This (below) is where I got the information from, this is my go to spot for all Steinberg info… and maybe there is some logic to that spot…

…Neverheless I think it’s bad form to not make it abundantly clear that a feature disappears… Interesting to see there is no demo BTW

Yes, I was wondering about that too. I wanted to download it to get my own impression of the new GUI. But if Steinberg’s statement is to be believed, there will be an opportunity to download the test version soon.

I usually look at them first. Where else can you find out what great new features are available? (Not every software has such a great forum as this. :+1:)
However, I would say that we are in a minority with this habit. I don’t know many people who look at the release notes. Maybe that’s why the release notes for some programs open automatically after installation? :rofl:

Incidentally, I have now found the notes myself: You have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the “New Features” page to find the link. It would be nice if there was a link on the download page as well. But for the major update, the link is usually missing. Only subsequent “service updates” have release notes linked.

I have been using Steinberg DAW’s, since V3 and I have only recently discovered the Project Browser myself.

Saying that, I have projects that I have been working on since then, making sure that any project corruption is removed by copying/pasting all data from one project to another, notwithstanding Import Tracks from Project, using an active template, with corrupted projects in the background (I have never had a project where I cannot access data).

From time to time, I go over project information, to make sure that node values such as Tempo and Automation end in 0. I can use the Infoline of course but nothing compares to the Project Browser for this task, which is how I “debug” my projects so that everything is on an actual beat and not a tick because that is what Musical Mode is actually for, so that as tempo changes things such as Automation stay on beat because I use a mouse to design Automation changes so that rendering of stems is optimal.

With a project that has thousands of nodes this will be time consuming to say the least because some of my projects (MIDI compositions), while saved in the latest format, bear information that has not been so meticulously edited, which is why I ask, “do Steinberg people still actually compose music”.

On the other hand, it did not see all types of objects, like Score Editor objects.

While I regret its removal, the functions it supplied would certainly be welcome in a modern data inspector.

What I would prefer going forward would be a modern implementation of a browser that can view and select for editing any user object – score notation, audio, midi, automation etc., etc., etc.

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Apart from the score notation - isn’t that exactly what the Project Browser does now, as we have it ?

I don’t remember precisely, so you might be right.

What are we gonna do, shout till they put it back?

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One thing it does do is tell you what unused parameters there are on a given track, which in the context of the Project Browser, is useful so that the list of objects doesn’t become unnecessarily long.

This on its’ own as a debugging function should be available to end-users and not be thought of as some special tool only for developers so to take it away without a viable replacement to me, is a step away from Cubase and/or Nuendo being comprehensive and professional applications.

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I actually took a look at the project browser because of this thread. I must say, I won’t miss it. I was able to work just fine without it.

Some people may be able to work without it but another thing is this:

When creating Automation Tracks, initially a Volume Track is created, then a Pan and Mute Tracks after that, which can be changed to other Automation types such as MIDI controllers, however even after the track type has changed; those track types are still present and can only be removed by clicking “remove unused controllers”, so are users meant to do this each time just to satisfy the fact that Steinberg products no longer offer a way to clean up projects?

I was using PB to set my basic tempo & signature changes. I’m sure that I will find my way around it but it was a feature that I was using everyday for the past 15+ years. Not extremely happy with them making it redundant !

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The Project Browser was rudimentary (no editing possible), but very useful, I found, for getting an overview of different elements. And I see here that it had other uses. So why trash it? Weird. The best thing would be to come back with a new, more functional, feature-rich version. Because the basic idea was excellent.

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Totally!

Hello @John_McRIS and welcome to the forum. :vulcan_salute:

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You can edit data, using the Project Browser but it has caveats other editors, don’t, e.g., Key Editor, in relation to Note Off (this does not exist as an editable field in the PB).

The Project Browser as well, allows Automation data to be edited, which is extremely useful because often Snap Mode may not be engaged and nodes can be dragged inadvertently by a number of Ticks, rather than being on a beat or bar, which cannot be easily known using the InfoLine.

You’re quite right, I had the wrong idea (I was looking for something else). But in list form, all the same, it’s a bit rudimentary, programming-style. This editor could have been a great thing if SB had pushed it. But he preferred to remove it. It’s less work.