Cubase not getting any action? Tonalic?

I say this facetiously :wink:

Studio Pro is getting all the action with Splice, and now Tonalic integration.

Sure, Tonalic works fine as a basic ARA extension in Cubase, but that integration right in the Studio Pro sequencer?? Freakin Fantastic!

Whats up Steinberg?

Can we get the same thing or did Celemony decide Studio Pro was just the cool kid on the block right now?

Heres a prediction.

Just like Presonus Studio One no longer exists, within 2 years Fender Studio Pro wont either !!!

Steinberg will have the better AI tools over the coming years.

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… and mine is not meant facetiously :slightly_smiling_face:

Reading a lot on this forum, I have the impression that…:

  • Steinberg either is not that much available for companies willing to integrate their tools deeper

  • or Steinberg is not willing to do too many adjustments to Cubase in order to make deeper integration work

That might be product strategy, or a capacity thing.

And to make that clear: no product vendor ever said that - I derive this from Steinberg’s speed of resolution of issues which existed (for example for ARA or Remote MIDI) in comparison to solving issues with new Cubase-internal features.

In this case, Studio One was chosen - there must be reasons.

Let’s hope!

I would surmise the same.

The most they have done, is the newest v15 Yamaha voice synth and Spectralyers type stem separation. But that is all part of the same company.

If anything, Yamaha or Steinberg comes up with their own Melodyne/Tonalic type engine themselves. But that Celemony DNA engine is patented and not sure they could get around that until 2031…depending on the country.

I love all this AI stuff, but at what point in the future does someone have a massive hit and then…

The lawyers at Universal come knocking - ā€˜Excuse me, thats elton John’s piano playing on your record, we have analysed it in a lab and it matches our algorithms exactly, see you in court’

$1.3 million in lawyers fees later …,

Its strange the people that are being used to help AI, are real musicians ! and this leads to no music makers ever aspiring to become real musicians, how ironic.

Its like a person using chatGPT to become a writer like Stephen King, without understanding that the 18 hour slog at a typewriter while on coke and coffee is part of the fun and the journey.

TommyKnockers only happens when your at that typewriter, fingers bleeding, eyes bulging, amped up, headache, stressed, racked with self doubt.

Prompting a novel in 30 minutes, seems shallow and weak.

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Tonalic is no AI.

And if you read their legal details, not even you (using Tonalic and having a hit on the charts) can sue others using the same ā€œtonalicsā€ (that’s how they call those audio items).

The Tonalic announcement mentioned Studio One coming first for ARA2 integration, but that others would be coming later. It’s not really all that surprising that they went with Studio One first given that PreSonus and Celemony pioneered ARA.

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:rofl: At that point…the writing can’t be that good any more. For the music side of things…Just because I am high on caffeine does not automatically make me write good music. For me at least…My most creative times now, are when I am not focused on composing/producing. It’s always random little sparks that CAN turn into something good. Besides we have too much NON-AI, politically charged, slop on our TVs now. It can’t get much better with AI.

Yep… 100% agreed (my emphasis).

Cubendo and others will be along in the fold soon enough… Patience…

Let’s not forget Presonus had to be purchased by Fender because they were on the brink of Chaper 11 by doing good things like nuking their entire forums to prevent negative discourse and a subscription first licensing model. All those integrations look more like a desperate attempt at staying relevant in the face of angry shareholders with their bean bags and spit takes.

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Fender studio pro? It’s the Gibson/Cakewalk fiasco redux, brought to you by the private equity owners of Fender. Popcorn, anyone?

This, and people thinking it’s just another loop or sample library. Once you/we/whoever try it out, it will make more sense. I think this is a good gesture by Celemony in the midst of this AI chaos in the music industry.

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Exactly - not everything has to be AI, even when it currently is hyped everywhere. Well done, Celemony.