Cubase VS Other Daws, missing features

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…Or… ravioli and sauerkraut?

but yea
The first movie Ennio scored was an Italian film Il federale in 1961. Whether or not there was a budget for real instruments/orchestra wasn’t a question, it was pretty much the only option other than maybe some early synths. The last movie Ennio scored was The Hateful Eight (2015) which is just as Ennio as any of his early scores… But Quentin has a fairly unaged old school style.

Hans Zimmer on the other hand started in the 80s with Terminal Exposure in 1987 and his breakthrough Rainman in 1988. When everyone and their uncle in the garage was using keyboards, samplers and digital synths.

Different times, but actually if you listen past the cheesy sounds in those early Zimmer scores, there’s at times a hint of Ennio influence imo… which makes sense because Ennio was a primary inspiration to Hans… which also makes sense, because Ennio was also big on choosing/finding interesting sounds and interesting combinations… the drums sounds, the harpsichord, the whistle, the chants and wordless vocal sounds, the twangy electric guitar etc

not sure what the Hans demotion is about in here, it’s kind of silly. If Hans Zimmer isn’t the Ennio of modern film making… who is.

Ennio Morricone – my inspiration, by Hans Zimmer | Gramophone

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I don’t really agree with the sentiment that Cubase absolutely must have a clip launcher or it will be left behind or whatever similar.

But I also don’t understand many of the stated arguments against clip launcher. It’s simply one of many useful tools, that’s all.

“It’s only for EDM!” Absolutely not! It can be used for any genre and for many different purposes.

“It’s a non-linear tool and Cubase is linear!” This one is specially puzzling to me. So what if it’s non-linear? MIDI keyboard and controllers are also fundamentally non-linear. People trigger notes and move knobs and faders in the same way they trigger clips.

And finally, Cubase already can loop a track independently from other tracks.

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Yeah, I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

It’s an exception sub-feature but it is essentially linear, it’s just taking one track out of the timeline locators/loop onto its own independent editor loop. It’s cool, I use it sometimes, but it’s not points towards a clip-launcher.

One of many useful tools… You can download and use as a separate piece of software.

Yes, and Cubase is a program that organizes/networks/connects/records/controls those things. It is an environment for integrating and managing those things.

The point of the contention, isn’t that clip-launching is useless, or only for EDM (of which Cubase historically was and still is a program popular for electronic music)… It’s that it is a waste of resources better dedicated to improving what already exists and is utilized in Cubase by some of the best artists and composers in the world. People have been, and currently are creating amazing stuff with Cubase, because of the way Cubase is… Without a clip-launcher.

And ironically, what a lot of people end up finding is that Clip-Launch/Loop based programs actually stunt peoples production learning and development, because they get stuck in that mode and don’t develop linear compositional skills, and foresight, and arrangement, etc, and they realize that… those programs sort of suck for in depth professional production workflow, editing, comping, rendering, etc.

Like ffs, we’re already battling the problem of people insistently complaining about the GUI and Steinberg obliging to always be trying to make it better… Now we’re going to work on properly integrating a clip launcher for the next what? 3 years? And most people who do clip launching are still going to use Ableton or Bitwig?

Just listen to Amon Tobin (Cubase) and forget about Clip Launchers,

02 Ruthless (Splinter Cell released 20 years ago…)

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There’s not much point having a clip launcher and dozens of other toys if the damn thing keeps crashing, deleting the MIDI remote scripts, or overloading the one core it is using.

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With a new year I have a change of mind.

Now I want Steinberg to make Clip Launcher…

… Just to see how nobody switched to Cubase for it and to watch people complaining that it’s not like in Live/Bitwig and now Steinberg has to change everything else in Cubase to make Clip Launcher experience identical to Live/Bitwig :smiling_face_with_horns:

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Please, don’t compare old blokes who were hardworking and creative to current gen of EDM producers who just want everything to be made from presets, midi loops and premade templates and all “creative” they can do is to mix old genres, put it under another name and call it “new and creative”. Those who can’t make EDM in Cubase, would cry if they would have to sample and make breaks with AKAI S1000 or another ancient sampler with tiny screen and no visualisation of literally everything. EDM scene is spoiled and rotten these days.

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Don’t worry AI is going to replace them.

The future is in improvisational jazz and original composition

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You mean they will replace themselves with AI. They’re already doing it and they are even proud about it lol Crazy times :slight_smile:

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Those who know how to stand out, will. (Cubase)

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Removed. But it was funny!

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Someone has no clue about cubase history.

We were using cubase on Atari st for house music, before any of you pompous types had even realised it existed.

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Bit pompous there

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if it had studio one work flow too, like pulling a effect to another track just by dragging it over and also soloing tracks by just running your mouse across the tracks you want to solo ect

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Zero interest in either of these “features.”

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Cubase can’t drag and drop plugins from one track to another? I must be clinically insane, because I do it all the damn time here.

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The easiest way to get Studio One workflow–use Studio One.

You can hold Alt and drag effects to other tracks in the Mix Console.

What problem would that solve for you? To solo a track, hit the solo button on the track.

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They must mean that S1 you can drag from insert on one channel, into track header of another channel and have it go to it’s inserts.

Which isn’t a bad FR, because the only way to do this in the left zone is ‘copy insert settings’, go to the other channel, add the same plugin, ‘paste settings’, which is a bit cumbersome.

See, these are the types of workflow details people should be focusing on, not “Clip-Launcher!!!”

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Please NO. If I wanted Studio one workflow guess what DAW I’d be using.

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Only at your house. That’s why none of us come over to your place to record :slight_smile:

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You mean how one can just “option-drag” an insert to another track to copy it in the Mix Console? I’m losing track of all the FRs :slight_smile:

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