Custom key signatures

Dorico
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Good afternoon everyone:

How do I create a custom key signature, as demonstrated in the video below?

I found this Dorico tutorial:

https://steinberg.help/dorico/v1/en/dorico/topics/notation_reference/notation_reference_key_signatures_tonality_systems_custom_key_signatures_r.html

But I am little lost going through the steps:

  • where is the Edit Tonality System menu
  • I can see the menu in the picture attached, but where do I go from here?

Thanks!

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Peter,

Click on the pencil icon in the ‘Tonality System’ box, and then on the plus icon in the ‘Custom Key Signatures’ part of the dialogue box. You can then add any accidental you want and use the arrow keys to move it to whatever note you want, and also change the left-to-right order.Once you’ve ok’d everything it will appear in the ‘Custom Key Signatures’ section of the right-hand panel.

What I haven’t been able to do is place the accidentals in different octaves as they are in the video that you linked, or in some Bartok pieces. Is there a way to do that? The operation manual doesn’t seem to have information about that.

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Thanks Vilnai! No, I can’t place them as in the video either, but playback is correct, without having to using “phantom” key signatures and hide notes as you would have to in Sibelius, so this is quite helpful.

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Hello,

I have tried to create a Bartok king of melodic minor key signature, for instance C melodic minor with a key signature having an Eb only.

I created the key signature the Es sound like E not like Eb.

Any ideas?

Thank you,
Carlos

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Try the attached simple file, Carlos, which shows this kind of custom key signature in action, and which produces the expected E flat during playback.
melodic-minor.zip (205 KB)

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Carlos,

I just created a KS for E♭Wholetone (where E and D are flat.

This is what I did:

  1. set up the score as usual
  2. in the Write mode’s Toolbox, selected Tonality System (‘##’ first in column on right)
  3. leaving 12-EDO selected, clicked on ‘+’ to add a new Tuning System
  4. in the Edit Tonality System which results, clicked on ‘+’ in the third to the right, ‘Custom Key Signatures’
  5. in the Edit Custom Key Signature which results, named my new KS accordingly,
  6. in that Edit Custom Key Signature, selected one flat as my Accidental (bottom of dialogue)
  7. in that Edit Custom Key Signature, placed one flat on E and one on D (changing the order if necessary) having chosen the clef
  8. clicked ‘OK’ in that Edit Custom Key Signature to exit
  9. dragged the 2-flat (E♭,D♭) ‘Used in This Flow’ custom key signature to my score

I believe that’s the correct way to do it, but will be happy to be corrected: everything sounds, and looks as it should. Dorico even applied the custom KS to all the the players, correctly - including a C Clef for alto trombone.


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Dear Daniel and Mark,

Thank you so much for your help. I am going to try and study Daniel’s file.

Best regards,
Carlos

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Daniel, can you confirm that you cannot control the octave the accidental is displayed on? And if so, is that planned for the future?

Thanks

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You can specify which staff position the accidental is shown on, since typically there are two possible staff positions that a given accidental could appear on, and you can control that for each of the three main clef types (G, F, C), but I guess what you’re asking is whether you can specify that an accidental should apply only in a specific octave, in which case the answer is no, you can’t do that at the moment, and it’s not something I anticipate us adding in the near future, but I’d be happy to hear more about your requirements.

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No, I was just asking about the staff position with the accidental applying to all octaves. And looking at the dialogue again I see there’s an ‘octave’ option that I seem to have completely blocked out yesterday, and now I feel foolish…

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Another feature full of bugs. Crashes my file every time. UGH. NOTHING in dorico is simple.

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bobsabin, please do Help > Create Diagnostic Report and attach the resulting zip file to a reply here or send it to me via email at d dot spreadbury at steinberg dot de so that I can investigate. If you have a project that consistently causes Dorico to crash, please also provide that here (zip it up before you attach it) or send it to me via email along with the steps required to reproduce the crash.

I’m sorry that you find Dorico to be complicated and unstable, but merely complaining about it without providing us with any of the details we require to be able to help you in the short term or improve the software in the longer term is counter-productive. And in general these features – custom tonality systems and key signatures – are working well for a wide variety of users, so this gives me hope that we will be able to quickly resolve the problem you are experiencing and get you back up and running again.

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Hi all of you
i´m new here, so i hope i do it right.
i´m a very long user of cubase, almost since the beginning.
i used for scoring ( simple things ) musescore.
now i started 4 days ago with dorico.
don´t want to offend no one!!
i needed this thing of putting freely accidentals as a key in a very spontaneous way. what you explain i did it and it functions, so far fantastic and thanks to you all!!
i needed 2-3 hours to find this and still if i want to do a eartraining sheet
and let´s say change a c melody with all seven notes to really hear the relation of all degrees to c and than change only a to ab and f to f# ican now do it the way you described but it really ruins the workflow.
please can you make an easier way to do it simple?, i mean this hole discussion shows tha it´s unintuitiv or am i wrong?
bih hughs to all of you
josé

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Hi José – Welcome to the forum, and Dorico! If I am understanding you correctly, you want to take an existing melody and change only some scale steps within it, yes? If so, good news: This is very easy to do with the Note Tools popover!

To take your example, a melody in C major, you can select all the notes, type ShiftI and enter a=ab,f=f# in the popover, and it will change only those notes! (This is not a key signature operation; key sigs can be changed separately, and they do not change the notes.)

Let us know if that is not what you meant, or if you have any other questions.

(P.S. to a moderator: Perhaps this question doesn’t belong in this thread.)

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Haha, hi Mark
i came home and had the exactly same thought, but again finding the topic for cubase was easy, for dorico, if you were not i still would search.
it seems that i´m not able neither in german nor in english to find the right terms.
that said, oh man thanks a very lot , you understood me and these helps a very lot to stay also spontaneous, right away the perfect solution.
again big hughs and thanks a lot
josé

ah because of ps:
of course the question changed because of the answer, lol
but sorry i still enjoy the solution given, :ok_hand: