Custom playback template not working with EWQL Play

Hi

Has anyone got this to work? I have a strings (V1, V2, Viola, cello, bass) piece using EWQL, including some simple expression maps. I saved all to an endpoint configuration. Then created a new playback template, adding this new endpoint config as the first manual entry. I also added the Halion HSSE+HSO(Pro) afterwards ( to catch any non strings). I saved it. Created a new piece and applied this new playback template to it - it did nothing at all ! Then I made sure the PLAY VST was loaded together with the Halion one and tried the procedure again - Dorico actually CLOSED the PLAY VST when I applied my playback template.

It doesn’t seem to work the way Steinberg says it should?

Cheers

Andrew

Welcome Andrew! First for encouragement - I assure you that It does work with EWQL exactly the way that they say. And the destruction and recreation of all VST is normal and intentional when a template is applied.

We’d need more information to see for sure what was up, but given that Dorico did not create any new Play instances when the template was invoked - seems like maybe the VST’s weren’t correctly mapped to an instrument in the template project where you saved the endpoint. Dorico uses wha tyou did in the template project as a guide to determine that Violin 1 gets mapped to EW Violin 1 or whatever you called the V1 endpoint in the config.

Maybe post your template project, or give us more of an idea of the steps you went through? For now I would leave HSSE out - its just one less thing when you are troubleshooting. Regardless - hang in there, its worth it.

I have Dorico Elements 3.1.10.1032 - do I need Pro for the templates to work?

I will look into your comments in a bit - thanks for the fast response

Hi again

I have attached an exported playback template - hope it helps you spot what isn’t working!

Thanks

Andrew
AL 5 strings EWQL.zip (580 KB)

(… your PT is for solo strings, so it won’t activate if you should be trying to load section strings…)

AAAHHHHHH!!! Thank you!

I have changed it around and all works perfectly now. Thanks again - I hadn’t appreciated the differences between section players and single players

Does anyone know if there are Playback Templates with rich Expression Maps made for EWQL Symphonic Orchestra?

When I try to create a Playback Template for EW Symphonic Choir (to use WordBuilder), I cannot get EW to appear as an option in the Playback Template editor.

I had hoped that creating a Template with Play for the Singers and NP for the rest would reassign Mixer channels to something less cumbersome than what I am seeing now.

  1. I am unsure why EW does not appear as an option in the Playback Template editor.
  2. I am interested how to reduce the number of unused mixer channels and still see separate returns for the EW voices (which will eventually include Tenors and Basses).

geisenheimerScore240302b - Conductor - 2. -At Geisenheimer’s-.dorico (2.2 MB)

In order for EW to appear as an option in the Playback Template editor, you need to save a custom endpoint configuration first.

I have been working with this, and thank you for the information on an aspect of Dorico I am not familiar with.

Since your experience in this area exceeds my own, I have a follow-up question:
When I add 4 instances of the EW Play and associate one each with S A T & B voices via Create Endpoint and create a Playback Template from that (Singers to EW Play, all else to NP), applying the PB Template only creates one instance of EW.

Is that standard? Is there a way around that to produce the required 4 instances of EW? Using a Page/Project Template is not useful, since my desire is to use the PB Template when needed to reduce the Mixer channels to just those needed.

To save an endpoint with multiple VSTs use this (not the cogs)…

Thank you. I will take a look at it.

I only started experimenting with custom playback templates yesterday!

To reduce the number of unused mixer channels in your demo project, go to play mode, select the Soprano track, and click on the cog wheel in the left panel. At the bottom of the Endpoint Setup dialog, enable Number of audio outputs to show in Mixer and set the value to 1. IMO, you should also set the Number of MIDI channels to 1 near the top of this dialog. Now repeats these steps for other choir sections which use Play.

Thank you. Actually, once I established the endpoints yesterday, eliminating the unused mixer channels preserved the EW chanel for each SATB voice. (It was refreshing.)

Of course reestablishing the PB Template wiped the text from the WordBuilder instances, but I expected that might happen and had former saved copies of the Dorico file to go back to.

When creating a custom playback template for the Symphonic Choirs which you might want to use for multiple projects, I would suggest setting WordBuilder to simply keep singing the syllable ah.

Since I use WordBuilder to sing lyrics (although Wordbuilder “mumbles” through most of the text so far), so EW’s default placeholder text is as good as anything else.