This behaviour was introduced with Nuendo 15, however instead of reporting this issue I preferred waiting until an English native will summarize it Anyway, this hasn’t yet happened, seems I’m the only one bothered by this eh?
I’ll give it my best shot then.
Though I deliberately avoided the B-word in the topic, this probably is one, so moderators please feel free to edit it accordingly, should you decide so.
Reproduction as follows:
Select an audio event, right click, add extension (in my case, either Melodyne or SpectraLayers - doesn’t really matter, outcome is the same). Do your thing with the extension, then right click - make extension permanent. /weirdly enough, this creates the edited file in the Edits folder, as opposed to putting it into the ARA folder, but anyway). Then, in order to free up some hard disk space, in Pool - remove unused files - move to trash. Empty trash - boom, it deletes the just created file from Edits folder. Close/save project, reopen - voila, “Resolve missing files”!
This is EXTREMELY annoying, I would have probably postponed writing the post some more, but I just lost abut an hour and a half worth of painstaking work with Melodyne. Yes, I know there is a workaround (good old “bounce” instead of “making extension permanent”), but you don’t always think of those half-arsed solutions when you’re in the flow.
I haven’t had the exact same issue but I have run into many instances with after emptying trash and erasing files to free space I’m left with missing files. It happens so often and is hard to trace sometimes. There are also issues with linked media saying its in the pool on local drive but might actually be pulling off network or eternal drive. I’ve discussed with devs and would like to figure out how to trace what’s happening to better provide a blueprint for them to fix this dangerous bug. Yours seems related but might be new scary behaviour as well that I will test on my end.
Though because of this I don’t ever Erase files directly from Nuendo any longer as it can’t be trusted. Instead I just let the project grow and when its done and delivered run a backup to minimise files from there.
For the sake of completely understanding: when you tested this, did you perform all the actions in the order you wrote them with saving done after you had removed and deleted unused?
Additional related question; is the behavior the same if you save before you remove/delete?
For the sake of completely understanding: when you tested this, did you perform all the actions in the order you wrote them with saving done after you had removed and deleted unused?
Yes.
is the behavior the same if you save before you remove/delete?
Hey - good question! Hitting Save before removing/deleting seems to make a difference!
Interesting. Looks like it compares what’s in the trash with what’s in the saved project file rather than the project as it exists ‘live’ in system RAM. Unless I’m missing something.
Would you be kind enough to give a “test run” to this issue yourself, too - should you have any ARA tools? It’s also very likely that I might be missing something
I don’t have N15 here or I’d test it for you. But I can’t see how you can be missing anything. Deleting unused files should do what it says on the tin… It should never delete used files, period.
I just did what you did and I can’t reproduce it. I think I got all the steps right. In my “edits” folder the second file is not erased, it remains.
I noticed though that when you apply Spectralayers it opens in a separate window. For me it opens in the lower zone. I wonder if that’s a factor somehow. Is it running as a standalone app for you, and then sending audio to/from it? If so, maybe try running it locally in the lower zone.
Mine goes back to as early as n12 as far as i can remember (maybe earlier) but i dont think exactly the same issue just triggered my response in relationship to emptying or erasing from the pool and how that unfortunately has failed me a few times. Yes always use ARA but havent really had this issue.
At first I thought it could be a glitch specific to my particular system, however the same occurs on at least two rather different systems.
Could you pelase try with several files, both saving and then not saving prior deleting unused files - while keeping the insides of the Edits folder in sight, so you could see what’s going on in real time?
Anyway, this hasn’t yet happened, seems I’m the only one bothered by this eh?
