# Difference between Tempo I and Tempo II?

I made a little example for Tempo indications:

Tempo I and II.dorico (670.7 KB)

We have two main tempi and different settings of a Tempo and Tempo I (and II) at the end:

• Example 1: “a tempo” brings you back to the last tempo (q = 120), which is correct.
• Example 2: “Tempo I” brings you back to the first tempo (q = 60), which is also correct.
• Example 3: “Tempo II” ends up somewhere inbetween (q = 90), which is strange.
• Example 4: “Tempo I” works as expected, but “Tempo II” doesn’t do anything.
• Example 5: “Tempo I” works as expected, but the “a tempo” brings you back to q = 120 instead of “Tempo I”, which would be, what I expect.

Would be nice, if this could be corrected.

There’s no need for a new topic @HeiPet. Just post in the previous thread you are a part of.

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Indeed the other post inspired me to look into this, but it is about “a tempo” and not about the difference between Tempo I and Tempo II. Therefore I started a new topic.

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“Tempo II” doesn’t do anything in Dorico in any circumstance. (I don’t know why you expected it to, or how you would propose they “fix” it.) Your Example 3 plays at q=90 there because that was the resulting tempo after the rit.

Often, but not always. In Italian “tempo primo” means the main tempo, not just the first occurring. For example, when there is a slow introduction to an Allegro, it doesn’t refer to that. Better to use an absolute tempo mark and change the text to whatever you want.

I’m curious: Has anyone ever seen an example of “Tempo II” earlier than Mahler’s 9th Symphony?

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Hmm…I can’t think of any. “Tally-ho…!!”

I don’t really care how historical a function is. Dorico advertises that it is a semantic programme. That’s why I normally expect a tempo indication to have an effect. It might therefore be better to leave out ‘Tempo II’ instead of offering an indication without meaning.
Gould writes the following about the indications:

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I can confirm that Dorico doesn’t currently have any support for “Tempo II” markings.