As I wrote: Voxengo CurveEQ is the only plugin not owned by Steinberg in Cubase 14. Everything else is developed inhouse.
Just upgraded to the VST3 version. Itās that easy.
Surely itās up to the 3rd party plug-in companies to keep up. Not for Steinberg to wait for them.
I personally want a modern application thatās the reason I upgraded.
I took a fast look at Spitfire Abbey Road 2 strings. Thatās what you have? It appears those are both vst2 and vst3. Whatās the issue on that?
Also, Steinberg knows that Bluecat etc have the vst2 bridging situation handled in a 3rd-party approach. Voila, that covers any fav vst/vst2 plugs from devs who died 15 years ago, taking the code with them. And of course, Jbridge has any 32bit issue solution.
No one (at least in the world of Windows) will lose access to their fav vst/vst2 plugins as Cubendo rolls forward.
Apologies all. I didnāt know Spitfire had upgraded to vst 3 .
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Yes, unfortunately this happens in the industry. All of the competition does it too. I was hit hard when Native Instruments dropped Absynth.
But it taught me one thing, change is inevitable. Donāt wait too long to replace sounds/reverbs/filters/etc. in projects you want to keep.
All of the companies give you warnings about deprecated products. Use that time to find BETTER replacements. Youāll find that the newer stuff is always better.
I only had one project that used Prolog. Retrologue had a patch that already easily dropped in. But it turns out that that an adjacent patch was even better.
While I was in, I used Vocal Chain to fix some stuff that more than made up for my time. It was way easier than trying to perfect vocals myself. I took the win.
Please consider how refreshing it is to revisit old projects. You may have a gem in there just waiting for the right polish.
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it is an understandable issue (though there is a workaround). That is one of the reason I usually shy away from Steinbergās plugins, and go 3rd party. But then again, having upgraded from 8.5 to 14 this year, I am amazed at the quality offered. AS for the people mocking the others wanting their old plugins to work, remember you still have the Apache plugin in C14 pro. I already had it on Pro24.
A bit off topic, but the only Cubase VSTi I use is retrologue 2. HELion Sonic very rarely - used it all the time until i was able to save up and find/buy better sounding VSTiās though.
They need more VSTiās imo.
Barely use any of their FX VSTs, maybe delay, chorus & some things built into the channel strip now and then. I might use more now im working at a higher samplerate and bit-depth for my current project & im assuming Cubase VSTs will be gentler on my CPU (im working on extremely dated hardware). Ive traded out using drum samples with Groove Agent to using their drum machine.
But i can image how frustrated you must feel. When a piece of kit is taken away from you that youāve used or so long it can really get to you. I hope you get it figured out even if it means going out of your way to do so.
I can only repeat: Steinberg has removed almost all 3rd party plugins (exception: Voxengo Curve EQ and, come to think of it, Loopmash FX perhaps). The likelyhood that they withdraw any of their own ones in the near to mid future is close to zero. I donāt know what is going to happen in ten years but until then I am willing to take a bet that they are going to keep their own stuff in the package.
Quadrafuzz used to be third party then it is not anymore. Things change. Sometimes, being to recall a clients project exactly how it was a few years ago is mandatory. Even with third party, it always is a kind of a bet on the future you can make only blind.
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Been running a residential studio for a few decades. Never had to do this. Project recorded, mixed, mastered and released..done. But just in case leave the earlier versions of Cubase on your system.. not a big problem.
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I completely agree with @Mrhehon; I think Steinberg made the right decisions based on the new requirements of the current licensing system.
SB also amply compensated us for the loss of these synths with the release of CB12 Pro with a discount voucher that allowed us to get Arturia CS80 V for free, which is a fascinating synth, and a few other equally interesting plugins.
For me, the only reason to maintain access to defunct products like Prologue and others is a question of compatibility with files that use them, and for that, itās always possible to keep active versions of Cubase that allow it.
I donāt miss these synths, because I always compose with whatās available and functional to me. When you think about it, a song or instrumental piece only needs my inspiration, no matter where it comes from.
I never got a voucher! Losing 3 professional grade synths is a substantial loss, especially seeing as how they are bundled with the DAW.
The consensus here is that plug-ins are cheap, like $30-$50. So Iād expect the price of Cubase to drop as a result of this loss, but thatās not the way things work.
The topic of the thread was to express my disappointment at the loss, and I didnāt expect it to be met with so many replies to the contrary, so, my replies will have to now be consistent push back against them to defend my stand point. Iād appreciate if other users would just start a new thread praising Steinbergās decision to not procure the source codes they paid for, and make the necessary changes to keep these intellectual properties up to date.
Alternatively, I like to just lock this thread to solidify my standpoint and not have other opinions build against it. However thatās beyond my forum user privileges. If an administrator can do that, it will be greatly appreciated.
Iām sorry, but this is an open user forum and not a blog type system, where you create a blog stating your opinions. In a forum like this you need to accept other user opinions and upcoming discussion, unless they get off-topic or into a seriously bad direction.
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The price of Cubase is the much same number of Ā£s that it was in 1990 - around Ā£500. I paid Ā£450 for it in 1992 (having used Cubeat (yes, really) before that).
Cubase is cheap.
And all things pass.
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Those synths are still there and usable in the versions they were included with. I donāt actually know what was the last version to include these VSTās but if they are that important use them.
Remember the Neon Synthesiser or the V bass ..I paid for them back in 1996 but I moved on.
A lot of the new VSTās and features included in the latest couple of upgrades are excellent, enjoy them rather than this negativity.
Okay, so just get cornered by a bunch of other opinions on my own thread. I am asking for the thread to be locked before this baseless argument continues. The opinions being contrary to actual benefits to users, your hurting yourself. The opinion is defending is cutting lose 3 tools and accepting it with expression. I say no, Iām disappointed, that is all. Everybody else is entitled to their option, however, my resolve if strong.
Losing tools = bad
Iām not demanding that Steinberg replace or recover the synths, Iām saying itās disappointing to see. The contrary option is get over it and itās okay; I have, and itās not
āStill usableā, not for me becuase Iām coming out of the dongle at 10.5, I donāt want to use the dongle, in turn that means I canāt use the synths. Iām also not interested in having multiple version of a software.
It seems like even though conversation is refined here, there are still users who prefer to waste their time in a forum. I got better things to do. Disagreeing my disappointment is not appreciated, work arounds were not requested, Cubase is lesser of a software after losing 3 instruments, in my opinion. Iām unfollowing this thread.
Yāall do yourself a favor, and go create value. No great music is going to come out of posting in a forum.
You can be disappointed, sure. Steinberg will have to live with your disappointment. They donāt own the code for the plugins, thus there is nothing they can do about it.
I am also disappointed. E.g. I had a very nice Virtual Guitarrist from company Wizoo. Then Avid bought Wizoo and now there will be no 64bit version of it. It sucks but such is life.
Three words: Camel Audio Alchemy.
It is what it is.
Steinberg is a business.
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Speaking of the opās mention of Mystic, Spector and whatnot (owned by Virsyn, not Steinberg), here is the developer/owner-of-the-code/guy-to-complain-to etcā¦.who posted here at the forums at some point in time. Iāve never used prologue, mystic, spector etc butā¦.
ā¦..āIgnoring completely Prologue, you can absolutely replace and enhance Mystic and Spector. Also, in Tera 3 we have multitimbrality, so you can use several āinstancesā inside the same plugin, and the CPU impact of the plugin is ridiculously low.
Only downside is, that some function got broken from Tera 2 to Tera 3, which are the sampling functions of the AnalogTERA and the Multi-Out capatbiliy of the plugin itselfā¦.ā
As the op did indeed state the below in his first postā¦
āAnyway, not really any request here other than some expectation to get them backā¦.ā
perhaps the op can provide results-info after he contacts Virsyn direct. I donāt know anything about Tera myself.
Furtherā¦.
apparently they Mystic/Spector/Prologue topic has arizen before around hereā¦.like this from Aug 2024..
āā¦research and was recommended to try the very underrated and forgotton about synth: Tera3, since its basically prologue, spector, mystic etc on steroidsā¦ā
and Steinbergās response this past Januaryā¦
ā¦.āthe bottom line is, that the license has expired and we can not release builds for newer CPU architectures such as ARM (Apple Silicon, Snapdragon).
With the current line of instruments, almost everything is developed in house, by us.
I can totally relate to the disruption, caused by any product discontinuation. I lost a work horse with Camel Audio Alchemy, back in the days. Another loss where Hartmann Neuron VST and Access Virus TDM plugins. I even kept an old power PC in my studio, and bought a replacement second hand , to run keep those running.
And this is really all I can recommend, from my personal experience:
If you have software you absolutely love to work with, maintain the hardware to run it.
If all you need are the results, bounce/render the tracks/stems/projects and move on to new toolsā¦..āā¦. that was from Phillipe at Steinberg.
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