Does flattening audio in Cubase 8 Pro move it slightly?

http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=181&t=62641

Moderator says they don’t know if the problem was eliminated between Cubase 7.5 and 8 Pro, probably no one has reported it yet, which is a good sign … it’s one of the things I am thinking about as I determine when to move up from 7.5.40.

Thanks for any info -

Time for the every 60-day bump to this thread. Moderators/Steinbergians … any help?

Not a 90-day bump, but asking if the issue was fixed in 8.5?

  1. I’m pretty sure the issue was never really that flattening audio moved it…I believe and tests on my system proved that in my case the audio was never in the correct place and any method of bouncing gave the same result as recording the playback…so the issue is more that the waveform of an elastique freewarped file was not at all accurate to the actual audio.
    The problem was much less apparent with the other algorithms and is also evident to some extent in other DAWs using elastique.

  2. I haven’t tried testing the new version but I believe that there should have been some improvement because elastique 3 was introduced. That said I doubt very much it is particularly accurate…elastique is prioritising sound quality over precise timing.

flattening the audio actually renders the waveform to represent what is being played back correctly. in other words, it’s the pre-flattened visual representation that is incorrect, and seems to be a bug on steinberg’s part (at least that’s what elastique have inferred when i wrote them about it). and indeed it’s not been fixed in c8.

see my video for a reproduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmCtljDFR7k

here’s a relevant thread:
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=70364&p=406740&

Thanks lukasbrooklyn. I’m guessing you explain it in the multipage thread you linked to, but I was wondering how you know it is the “pre-flattened” (pre-rendered actually, in your youtube example) waveform that is incorrect, rather than the post-rendered?

I also wonder about its being fixed in 8.5, where Elastique 2 has been replaced with E3 …

if you realtime-record the warped material, you end up with the same waveform as the post-flattened one. that is the true represenation of the material. therefore, the pre-flattened is the incorrect one (sometimes this can be detected just by listening and checking against waveform).

Exactly.

Physically loop a cable from out to in and record the result and it matches the flattened audio.

I wonder if it is all fixed in Elastique 3?