Dorico 5 and pick-up measures

Hi Folks

In the score, I have defined the pick-up measure as 3/8 (hidden of course), and for those parts with a rest the engrave version shows a whole measure of rest, rather than an eighth rest plus quarter rest.

The attached shows both.

I am sure there is an easy way to fix this, but so far I have not been able to find it! The properties pane doesn’t seem to have a way to set this back.

Ideas?

Thanks!


The easiest way to define a pickup bar in Dorico is directly in the time signature. In your case, you would want to set a time signature in the very first bar of 2/2,0.75. The part after the comma tells Dorico how much of a pickup you want – in this case, 3/4 of your (half note) beat. Dorico will then take care of all of the rests for you.

Time sig

Here’s the relevant section in the manual.

Edit: You can do the same thing in the time signatures panel, too.

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Of course, that is what I did.

The question is not how to create a pick-up bar, but how to change the engraving on those instruments that do not play in the pick up bar.

When multi measure rest is selected, the engraving shows a “1” like the screen shot.

I cannot find a way to make multi-measure rests start only after 2 or more bars.

That would fix the engraving I want.

From your screenshot, it looks like you didn’t create a pickup bar in the way that I indicated – you created one bar with a hidden 3/8 time sig, and then started a 2/2 time sig in the next bar.

Dorico sees your pickup bar as a complete bar, which is why it is displaying a whole note rest (and displaying the 2/2 time sig in the second bar, instead of at the beginning of the piece).

Sorry folks…I need to be more clear:

I know I can change to showing just the rest, not the number, using settings in engraving options.

I want to see if I can change the “whole bar rest” into its components: and eight rest and a quarter rest.

Thanks

The following worked for me to convert your standalone pickup bar into a true pickup.

  1. Delete the signpost that indicates the 3/8 time sig
  2. Select the first note in one staff in your pickup bar
  3. Press Shift+M to invoke the time sig popover
  4. Enter 2/2,0.75 and hit return
  5. Delete the 2/2 time sig from the second measure

I think you’ll see that your rests all look correct. If not, you may have to delete any rests that you manually entered in your pickup bar.

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Hmm…that worked…

But why did it work?

It must have been because I chose 3/8 rather than your formula which used 2/2 but a truncated measure…

Moving from Presonus Notion to Dorico does require a bit of different thinking!..

Thanks!

Yes, 3/8 is a whole bar so bar rests.

Jesper

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That’s exactly right. A pickup bar by definition is an incomplete bar, like one beat in a 4/4 measure, or (as you have it) three eighths in a 2/2 measure. If you give the “pickup” bar its own time signature, then Dorico sees it as a complete bar and will display a whole rest for instruments that don’t play.

The way you originally entered things also meant that Dorico started numbering bars with the pickup, whereas usually a pickup is not counted in bar numbering.

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The manual does describe this, but I guess I didn’t really Grok this until now.

My old brain has trouble jockeying between smartscore64, notion, musescore, finale, and dorcio…

I am making the “final transition” to smartscore for digitization/OCR, and dorico as my only notation software!

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I can’t get Dorico to include a pick-up bar at all! The piece is in 3/4, and the part I’m working on begins with a quarter note rest. Any advice would be much appreciated!

Welcome to the forum, @markelliotbergman !

To indicate 3/4 with a quarter note pickup, use the meter popover (Shift+M) to change the time signature to 3/4,1. The ,1 tells Dorico there’s a one-beat pickup.

Here’s the section in the manual:

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Thank you!