I wonder if documentation of how to do that isn’t something users might share on Scorico? It certainly qualifies as a valuable Dorico thing.
I certainly might share some doricolib files there, but I don’t know enough to really share how to edit them. I have no coding background at all, so I don’t even know what the correct terms are for what I’m doing LOL. You can go to Library/Export Library, and save your current library as a doricolib file. Open the file in a text editor (I use Sublime Text), choose a Code Folding setting to hide most of the code so you just see the headings (Fold Level 2 works in Sublime), and the headings should at least give you an idea of the types of edits that might be possible.
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This would be amazing…!!!
It is one of the few things I really miss from Finale. The way I used it most often was this:
- I use normal playback when I think a section is about right. But maybe I hear something that doesn’t sound quite right. Some people can immediately spot the problem in the score. I’m not that good.
- The next thing is using the ctrl+spacebar to “scrub around” to find the exact rhythmic position where the problem is lurking. If the problem is still not obvious,
- I then add the shift key, moving the mouse up and down over the instruments at that rhythmic position until I find the problem.
The whole process takes a tiny fraction of the time I just took to explain it. Extremely powerful. it really deserves to be a priority because just about 100% of Dorico users could benefit from this.
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Hello there
I have not read all this thread - sorry, it’s too epic 
And I don’t use Dorico.
But I do use the Score Editor in Cubase Pro. It’s helpful for reviewing harmonies in particular or finding & adjusting/inserting notes which are ‘not quite right’. I also use the Score Editor for printing parts to give to other performers (string players mostly). I’d never describe these as ‘professional’ scores - rather they’re for me to give to friends to play with when I’m joining them with a piano part/arrangement.
So putting it nicely and mildly, I’d be very disappointed if these capabilities disappeared from Cubase. And I don’t want to have to buy two products when I don’t really need the additional features provided by Dorico.
Understand Steinberg’s perspective & appreciate the heads-up from you (via my weekly Forum emails)!
Neil
I don’t get the sense Steinberg is thinking of removing notation capabilities from Cubase but may look for ways to enhance them (as they do any other features of Cubase) and certainly drawing on the experience of the Dorico Team may suggest some solutions to them.
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Indeed; Daniel’s comment further up the thread seems to rather firmly imply that the Dorico team will take over the maintenance / implementation of the score viewer in cubase after the current developer retires.
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Hey dear friend, I use this feature in Sibelius.
I’m a jazz bassist and arranger and, like you, I don’t have the ability to fix things wrong on the fly. This feature makes our life a lot easier when we are writing an arrangement. I completely agree with you. Today I came to this forum to research about this possibility and found your post. Just to your request I would also add the possibility of listening to the selected instruments with this tool.
I hope they will listen to us and implement this feature.
They will definitely listen to you
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You use the mouse and click on the slur to start it. No keyboard involved. This is a question of expectations for users coming from most other applications on mac or windows.
This really is about the “blindness” of us as experienced users to how totally new users expect things to work. A totally new user expects a program to basically behave as other applications. The user approaches a new program assuming that it behaves like other programs and that you basically will not need the manual for simple things. As an experiment, try the help to find out how to “stop slurs”.
My point is that for us as experienced users we have learned this. But it may unnecessarily halt new users temporarily, perhaps enough for them to select another program instead (which is bad for me as I want Dorico to have a large user base creating income for Steinberg which allows the team to continue developing the program which benefits me).
Sorry for the long rant.
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What would you do, if you were designing Dorico, to stop slurs, while also making it easy for users to create nested slurs?
So, like Finale, then? Triple-click and drag…?
I can’t think of a single program where I haven’t needed to look things up or ask for help online. Logic, Photoshop, InDesign, Pages, Word, iMovie – even MuseScore, with its vaunted emphasis on ‘discoverability’. It’s unrealistic that you can just stare at the screen and expect to find out how things work.
Luckily, the team have provided countless videos and tutorials, as well as the documentation.
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I would like the ability to highlight in a color parts or sections of the music for editing/review purposes. I used this all the time in Sibelius by highlighting portions of the score in yellow. This draws the eye quickly (a bright color) versus adding comments.
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Agreed. The Dorico team is very good at listening to user wishes and aspirations. They work according to a longer-term vision, and when the capability is delivered, it is usually part of a broader solution that is more elegant and comprehensive than we might even have considered. “Scrubbing playpack” is such a compelling productivity feature that I have no doubt Dorico will have capabilities in this area before too long.
I love how involved the team is and appreciate all your work! that’s all =)
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I would like to see some alleatoric boxes. I would also like to see project alternatives and part alternatives so you can try different parts within a project.
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How do you see that working?
I do that using flows, but that is a very coarse-grained approach.
There have been other comments in this thread hoping for Dorico to adopt something like the “arranger track” found in most DAWs these days. That structure allows a project (or flow in our case) to be divided into sections, with the arranger track becoming a very easy way to mix and match these sections in different sequences. Of course, we can do some of that with repeat structures (including D.S, D.C etc.) but an arranger track is a much faster way to accomplish that, particularly if trying out different arrangements.
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The ability to align chord symbols which vary in height. on a centre line… Particularly noticeable when composing with polychords / taller vertical chords and smaller chord symbols on the same system. The chords already align in a neater way in galley view, so it’s a little step from this to give the option in page view engrave mode.
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Thanks @cparmerlee for mentioning my suggestions earlier in this thread.
However let me put my various posts in perspective - they should be thought of in two different categories:
1. I explain in two posts earlier in this thread (linked below) how an arrange window could/should work in Dorico as it is now (not in a combined notation DAW app)
And how as part of creating this arrange window how flows could be treated more like compositional units - and also play a part in Dorico providing multiple versions of a score in a file.
But then:
2. I also explain in a separate thread (linked posts below) how an arrange window could/should work in a future combined DAW notation app
This second set of suggestions is I believe the preferred option for Steinberg in catering for all types of traditional notation users.
The first post lays some ground work - I make a recommendation for how a combined DAW notation app should cause audio, notation and MIDI to interrelate.
And then - building on those ideas (you need to read the above post before reading the one below) I suggest ideas for how the arrange window in a combined DAW music notation app could work in a manner which would not be biased either to DAW or notation users.
I then explain how an arrange window could handle music played at different tempos - and how notation should be grouped when tempos differ.
And finally I explain how a galley view and a page view would display music which was to be played at different tempos.
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+1, this is high on my list too!
Thanks. I assume that my backup library file would save my bacon ifvi mess up? And I’d gladly pay a small fee on Scorico for doricolib files I could use🙂
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