Dorico 5 Most Wanted

Dorico! Write my music for me! It should be sensitive and reflective and have all of Brahms’s pathos but Bach’s complexity. Make it easily playable and include an equilibrium of minor and major keys with modal ennui for variety. I need this by Thursday next for a standard orchestra plus Kalimba. Thanks! :heart_eyes:

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ABC would be great for the tens of thousands of Irish tunes that abound. +1 for that!

I knew this sort of request would happen eventually after all the requests for Dorico (and Finale before that) to build in capabilities to handle various highly esoteric functions in someone’s personal workflow for which work-arounds already existed.

Not knowing of the ABC-to-AI connection, I never imagined it would happen this swiftly.

Still, a Finale owner’s wry comment about wanting a mind-reading plug-in still meets with passive resistance from the Finale plug-in programmers. :laughing:

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Feature requests: (and I believe it is already on the development team’s radar?)

  1. Being able to filter notes by rhythmic value (for example, select all the 8th notes in a highlighted passage.)

  2. Being able to filter articulations (for example, select all of the staccato markings on notes and copy them to a rhythmically similar passage.)

Do you mean something beyond what we already have with Paste Articulations? You want to filter, say, only staccatos, from amongst other articulations, and then paste those?

the more options we have in filtering, the better, as far as I’m concerned!
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Mozart has used the mfp (a “mild” sforzaro) in Trio KV 563. Dorico only allows mf p, mf/p, mf-p and mf:p. The result looks really confusing. The only solution I saw was writing mfp as text (bold and italic). I would like to be able to write mfp as a dynamic in a future update. (Not a big problem. - seen in the context how many things you can do with this fabulous program). :grinning:.
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As long as someone else has to do it?

EDIT: My apologies to @Dich if I have misunderstood him.

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You can already hide the dash case-by-case with the Separator shown Property.

@Derrek I believe Dich did not mean “not a problem for developers”; he meant the issue is not a major one for him.

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I was able to find the solution. :grinning: Mark is right. Its is certainly not my biggest problem. And maybe I’ll never meet it again.
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As I recall, Finale has a function that is much like the “find & replace” in a word processor. You select a passage that has some articulations, then Finale looks for that same rhythmic pattern elsewhere, giving you the chance to apply the same articulations. It would be a good feature to have in Dorico at some point.

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((Smartfind and paint. Edit menu))

http://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/MMSMARTFINDDLG.htm

FYI All, Sibelius added filtering by rhythmic values and articulations under Daniel’s watch, so they are thoroughly aware of these ideas.

I don’t think anybody would dispute that. Conceptually, articulation find/paint is not really a complicated idea, just an area that can help produce faster results on some normally tedious stuff.

I didn’t really use that Finale feature very often, as the feature itself proved laborious. I’d like to think that in 2023 (or 2025 or 2030), there might be a way for newer technologies (perhaps some AI functions together with a more graphic UI) could present suggestions in a way that is a lot faster to use. I am not sure what form this might take, but I am certain there must be a better way to do things like this.

I envision an intelligence layer that might be able to make suggestions that go far beyond consistency of articulations and dynamics. I’d like to think this intelligence layer could help the composer explore alternate harmonies, melodic lines, harmonizations, and many other aspects of the composition.

Or maybe it is just nonsense – a pipe dream. Who knows? I do think this sort of thing is worth some open-ended thinking over a bottle of … well, I’m not allowed to drink any of the good stuff anymore, so count me out. :slight_smile:

I should point out that the current implementation of cues has a little of this “intelligence layer”, helping a person identify opportunities where cues would be helpful. I’d like to think that, rather than a bunch of separate “point solutions”, there could be some kind of unifying layer where all of these “polishing off” aspects could present themselves. I use a graphics program called Affinity Photo that defaults to your normal photo editing mode, but has several other “spheres of exploration” you can choose to enter to do more esoteric transformations of the photos. Something like this might eventually find its way into Dorico’s (and Cubase’s) UI.

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I have another little item that might make a difference in a few cases. Sometimes it is handy to have the same score/layout open in two windows simultaneously. I have three large monitors, so it is convenient to dock each of the layouts on a different monitor. I was working on a piece last night where 12 bars near the end are very similar, but not exactly, to the intro. It was very convenient to have the two windows set to two different places in the score so I could easily cut and paste as needed.

That all works great – better than great. The dual views are fantastic. However, by default, if you start playback in either window, both windows sync so that they both are scrolling at the playback point. Normally that is a very useful behavior. But in this particular case, it would be better if the windows did not sync so that I could easily playback the intro from one window and playback the ending from the other window.

Maybe this is already an option, but I’m not aware of that.

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In cases like that I save the project under a new name . Then open the 5 seconds old version’s intro for the copy-window - and work with the end version. You can now play the end, but tho intro won’t move.

However, by default, if you start playback in either window, both windows sync so that they both are scrolling at the playback point. Normally that is a very useful behavior.

In this case I would save the project under a new name. And open the now 5 seconds old version for the “copy from the intro” -window. Then work with the end in the other window, and play back without moving the intro.

That’s an OK work-around, but a little cumbersome. It would be a lot nicer for the status bar at the bottom of the window to have a button that toggles playback sync.

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I have frequently run into the same need and imagine it could be best to have two playback cursors which could be stuck on the score on the staff grid, and unlink the playback cursor synchronization in the Split windows. Not like the limitation at present, where playback only starts from a highlighted note (or always from mm1), and is always synchronized across the Split. These playhead cursors would allow for a command for “play from playhead A” or “play from playhead B”.

For looping playback, when that feature is finally added, perhaps those same playback cursors would be used for “Play/Loop from A<->B”.

The way the playhead always moves now in sync between Split windows, effectively makes splitting the window useless for me currently. However if unlinking the playhead between a Split is somehow a very difficult feature, then at least having two playhead cursors, with the command to play starting at either one, would allow somewhat of a better workaround now.