Why Alexander? What if their attitudes relate to music notation having a future?
Folks - I don’t like the way this is going.
Please check the Community Guidelines before posting.
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Edd
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Yes - we were in danger of engaging in a meaningful discussion. I don’t imagine the guidelines were designed to prevent that - but you never know.
Anyone have a suggestion for Dorico 5?
@substanceoverstyle Philip, you’re trolling. That is seriously frowned upon here. My patience is wearing thin, and I have a hunch I’m not the only one. Edd helpfully linked to the guidelines, and for a reason. Read, try to understand, and comply.
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As an admin of several Discourse forums that I run, I just wanted to say that the guidelines are the standard Dicourse forum community guidelines boilerplate out of the box, the point being they apply to pretty much every discussion forum, and are principally just commonsense and respect (I am not making comments about anybody here).
I know this does not really add anything, but I felt it worth mentioning.
I also know from experience it’s hard to get users to read this page. 
No @PjotrB - if you have a criticism - substantiate it. Quote the guidelines - which I have read - to explain which part of them I breach. Explain why it would be best if discussions that include referring to the closed mindedness of many on this forum should be shut down - even when the opinion of the person expressing that view is that the attitudes of many here will do harm the chances of music notation being included in the apps that dominate the future.
I’ve read the guidelines and the only one breaching them is you - for name calling (you called me a troll).
Does anyone have a suggestion for Dorico 5?
Nicely put.
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You are very patronising, Substance over Style. That is why you are getting the reactions you are getting.
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That’s probably a fair criticism @RichardTownsend . I ask then that those who can do what I am not doing well will do it instead - and better - than me. I am aware that I can make things worse - although I do believe that it is difficult to penetrate the wall that the closed mindedness I am pointing to seems to me to be.
Well, I admire you for that!
Indeed - it’s amazing that one can read the whole thing and not take in a single word.
As an Engrave Mode Junkie™, I was happy to see the implementation of a setting to change the distance between beams in the Properties Panel in Dorico 4. For Dorico 5 (or 4.5) it would be really nice if the beam distance for note values smaller than 16ths would increase automatically to avoid both wedges and overly acute beam angles. I know that there’s a setting in Engraving Options/Beams but the distance increase is too great and it gets applied inconsistently. I can imagine this being non-trivial to implement but I’m hoping that the new Properties Panel setting is a step in this direction.
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Complete agree. The Engraving Options setting increases the separation between beams from 1/4 space to 1/2 space which is too wide IMO, and not commonly found in publications. Also, a possible bug here is that the image in Engraving Options doesn’t match the results. With this selected …
… I get this result, which obviously doesn’t match the illustration:
I’d prefer a setting in Dorico 5 that would give a 3/8 space separation here now that this is possible, so I could get this result by default:
No wedges are formed and the middle beam ends up with a quarter-straddle setting.
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Thank you, Fred. I wanted to post something like this but didn’t have the time. This is exactly what I mean. ¾ space is definitely a better distance than ½ space and it would be wonderful if this would happen automatically.
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Korean IME support
I’m referring to the plotting of control points on the timeline (I start the video at precisely that feature), which has been around since Dorico 1.
<shrug> I don’t care, honestly. The point is that Tantacrul had a lot of criticisms for Dorico when he reviewed it, but now the software that he designs shares significantly more similarities to Dorico than it did before he came onto the project.
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Ah, thanks, didn’t notice the start point (if you open the video by clicking the video title, it takes you to watch on YouTube in a new tab but doesn’t preserve the start time).
But that’s like a standard DAW feature. If Musescore stole it from Dorico, Dorico stole it from… everyone?
Totally fair, or totally true at least, but I don’t get what the issue is with that, especially given that he had a lot of praise for Dorico as well (I dare say, my impression of his review was that it was on the whole positive). And, like, I have loads of criticism for Dorico (most of it constructive, I’d like to think) even though I acknowledge it’s the best professional notation software out there and wholeheartedly endorse it and consider it to be an absolute godsend to both myself and the wider notation/composition community. And if I were designing my own new notation software, you bet I’d lift the best features from Dorico. And I would’ve said the same of Finale before Dorico came out (though… I had a few more criticisms of Finale, and fewer of them were constructive, lol). I don’t see how having criticism for something means you can’t also think it’s great and look to its example for inspiration.
Now he was certainly wrong about a few things, and I think that negatively colored his opinion of Dorico without warrant, but beyond that, I really don’t get the Tantacrul animus on this forum. You’re all of course free to disagree and continue as you wish, but it doesn’t make much sense to me.
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Yes, I remember taking this away from the Tantacrul video - he didn’t go into depth, but he did say something along the lines of “what it can’t do, it soon becomes the best at doing” or similar. The thing about all of his videos is that it’s incredibly easy to pick holes in anything you care to choose, and he has to keep up the persona of “the jank” after going viral with his Sibelius video (which unlike the Dorico video was the culmination of years of frustration and therefore knowledgeable).
It seems to keep rearing its ugly head because new users struggle a bit with the initial concepts, watch the video and then think they know all about it and come here to complain…
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Precisely. I both had and have been looking forward to his Dorico and Finale videos, respectively, since his Sibelius one came out, because I think the series is hilarious. I was definitely disappointed with his decision to look primarily at the “new-user experience” aspect of Dorico and I was further disappointed that he did indeed get some of it just factually wrong, but that was the extent of my displeasure with it. I guess it just seemed to me like in the context of the series, it was pretty clear how highly he thought of Dorico.
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I would like sub-folders in the playing techniques in the right hand zone. eg in the Choral section I could then add a subfolder for all the Eric Whitacre Choir articulations. This would keep things tidy and allow easier operation. (PS Dorico 4 is great!)
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