Hi, my first post here. Health and happiness to you. Budding composer trying to learn
I fire up Dorico Elements 6.1, open one of the example scores such as Triumphant in Sohn. I want it to play with BBC SO and not HAKion. However it then takes five minutes to load a BBC window for each instrument until it may or may not crash. I select BBC by going Play/Playback template. If I leave it for 30 minutes it may work and then I can play the piece with the BBC orchestra.
What am I doing wrong please guys? I want to get composing with BBC SO and Dorico. I may use the included library until I get this figured out.
Can you tell us more about the specs of your machine? My former 2019 MacBook pro with 24GB of Ram could handle BBCSO quite fine but it’s still quite a heavy library…
In regards to the crashes, next time it happens again, start Dorico once more and do from the menu Help > Create Diagnostic Report. The corresponding zip file please send via e-mail to u dot stoermer at steinberg do de. Thanks
The BBCSO - even the Core version - it notoriously slow to load. You can expect several minutes for the full orchestra to load completely. I use Vienna Ensemble Pro which does help somewhat - especially in keeping the instruments together – but is still quite slow. Nevertheless five minutes for one instrument is certainly not right and perhaps Ulf will be able to find something from your diagnostic.
It takes between 5-10 minute to load the full orchestra perhaps longer. Dorico becomes almost unusable whilst it loads and I find that hard to understand why and if this is optimal. I can “load” it in Logic Pro in a few seconds with the Spitfore BBC SO template. Why should Dorico chose to open a BBC SO Core window per instrument? Why not just load the window if I specifically ask for it in case I want to adjust the articulation - again like Logic Pro? I appreciate that Dorico is not Logic Pro and does a different function, but the principle is the same.
Just to add I am on Elements version and not the Pro version of Dorico if that is relevant to this discussion.
The Mac Studio M2 Ultra/64G is an extremely capable machine. It also has the BBC SO (and Dorico) installed on local internal disk at extremely high speed. I can load literally hundreds of tracks and plugins in Logic and Ableton Live. So I don’t believe the speed of the machine is the issue.
Yes, I will create a debug for Ulf.
BTW - I am loving Dorico and this thread is in not a criticism. I’m just trying to understand if Dorico loads the orchestra in the most optimum way. It loads HALion within 10 seconds.
the BBC SO player is not multi-timbral so it has to open an instance for each instrument. I guess you can close the individual windows and save the project with them closed – that way you won’t see the windows again but it’s not really that which takes the time. Even loading it into Vienna Ensemble Pro takes several minutes to load the instruments. Dorico playback is activated after the first initialisation of the library but until all the instruments are fully loaded, you will only hear bits of your project! It’s certainly nothing to do with your machine.
Why Dorico is much slower than Logic is likely (I don’t know Logic) because Dorico fully loads all samples into memory from the outset whereas some DAW’s only load what is required on the fly. Whether the way Dorico does it is the most optimal is a moot point – it’s how it works with all libraries. And the BBCSO player is not very efficient in loading.
