I’m relatively sure that the devs are aware of this issue and will get to it (hopefully sooner than later) because the reverse way (reduce the amount of divisi during a system) already works as it should (by just leaving the staff empty from the moment of the reduction till the end of the system). Just the other way around makes notes disappear.
I think you can be perfectly sure. The divisi feature was released with full knowledge as to its limitations. It was an awesome first step, and the overhaul it received later on a great second step.
There will be a third step …
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Yeah that’s true in all industries for sure. Except at the biggest studios developers are also their own tools and support, artists need to do character and environment (and rigging, and animation …) Composers need to do audio work, not to mention in game audio programming if they’re capable … well at least our tools are making this at least possible.
Who knows but yeah doesn’t seem like Dorico is likely to support that. But export to finish in DAW is available, and if Cubase/Nuendo add Dorico binary project import that would be super easy. I’ve been doing final MIDI work in Nuendo and then mastering in Wavelab, but so much has been done in Dorico with playback and MIDI I’m actually thinking I can cut out the middleman and not have to work in Nuendo at all. I’m hoping so at least, looking into it, then it would save a ton of work. Just output bwaves out of Dorico for final mastering in Wavelab.
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Hi Daniel,
Thank you for your comment. It’s all very well for people to say don’t layout your music until it’s finished, but there are many instances where this is not practical, particularly in the film world where you might suddenly have to insert a section into a layout that is already formatted to some degree. I had a big project last year with multiple flows, and I shied away from having multiple flows in one document simply because of the possibility of losing formatting that I had created for presentation purposes, but before the composition was necessarily complete. I presume that you will want to find a solution to this because there are a lot of film composers out there. I don’t want to second guess a solution, but temporarily locking page templates to pages while you insert a new page would be great. Right now it always seems fraught with danger when one dabbles with this, so I’m not surprised it is putting people off who need this flexibility, and a fairly easy to navigate solution would be most welcome, I’m sure.
I guess allowing multiple divisi occurrences on one system must also be on your radar.
Thank you for all the hard work that you and the team all do!
Utterly agree with this. The days of working with film directors who don’t expect a high-quality audio mock-up are long gone for the vast majority of film composers. Mock-ups are ESSENTIAL.
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Would you mind to change the word “must” by “should”? Thanks.
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This is certainly not an unfair comment, and I have pondered on that very question a great deal, even though I am an inveterate fan.
But in many ways, there is nothing surprising here since any software is based on an approach, and that approach will not fit all users. One could certainly say that Finale’s strength - that almost everything was graphically possible - was also a cause of great confusion and frustration amongst some users. Same with Sibelius “a measure is a measure” approach, which limits unmeasured segments and polyrhythms. In this manner, Dorico is no different.
However, the thing which really sets Dorico apart (though I love its approach as a piece of software anyway) is community engagement. Dorico has covered an enormous amount of ground in 8 years. If we are talking about the movie industry, it is valid to point out where Dorico hinders the user even if it’s true that inertia will always play a part. But I am certain that the devs will continue to surprise us with continual improvements that will constantly help rouse users from that same inertia. This will happen because they do listen. I think they have done an extraordinary job in balancing their own vision with ours, and will continue to do so.
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I expect any support for mid-system divisi changes would appear (if it does) in concert with or shortly after the implementation of cut-away scores, which the Development Team has indicated they will address when the stars align.
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Ein Wunsch für Dorico 6 :
L’implémentation de deux règles graduées (une horizontale, l’autre verticale) en mode Gravure, avec possibilité de les afficher/masquer et de choisir ses unités de mesure. Indispensable pour disposer comme il convient des éléments que l’on doit ajuster en ce mode de travail.
La possibilité, également, d’y adjoindre des lignes de repères colorées hor/vert, comme il s’en trouve dans toutes les applications de dessin. Repères affichables et masquages à souhait, avec possibilité de suppression immédiate.
The implementation of two graduated rulers (one horizontal, the other vertical) in Engraver mode, with the option of displaying/hiding them and choosing the units of measurement. Indispensable for arranging elements that need to be adjusted in this mode.
Also the option of adding coloured hor/vert marker lines, as found in all drawing applications. Markers could be displayed and hidden as required, with the option of deleting them immediately.
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In Sibelius we used a graphical (grid) paper as background, which was quite helpful.
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Yes I know, because I am a Sibelius user (and a simple onlooker here). 
But, I maintain that rulers + guides are the « top du top ».
Still interesting to know that the best engravers always used their eye and their judgement - but never a ruler.
Let’s put it this way:
- I’m not the best engraver ever seen in the world
- I don’t trust my eyes on a computer screen
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We are lucky that big mama Dorico is taking care for most of us
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Yeah even the “best engravers” will make human errors and could probably save precious time and cognitive burden with rulers I’m sure!
FYI I know at least for mac there are grid/guide overlay apps out there. For mac users I recommend the free app Red Line Tools, and for Windows users I’m sure there is something similar. It’s very handy for any kind of graphic work!
Weeeee!
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Thank you Jonathan, but I do prefer that Our Mama Team will implement that in Dorico.
My big weakness : I never get into a car with someone I don’t know ; my mum taught me that 60 years ago… 
Of course – a native implementation will be better. I think that goes for all the many feature requests which forum users offer present workarounds – ultimately the Mama Dorico implementation will be much better, but one must stray outside the family in the meantime
You base this on what?
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I watched that video on Henle’s “last” engraver.
He was dealing with (showcasing) the Art of Fugue if I remember correctly.
I guess, you’re referring to a German TV documentary aired several years ago as part of the series “Der Letzte seines Standes” (the last of his profession). It’s a great report that gives an insight into the impressive work of the last music engraver from Würzburg.
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