I’m looking at an expression map for BBCSO for Strings. It has as a compound Playback Technique “Muted + Spiccato”. Here “Muted” does not exist as a Playing Technique. it does exist as a Playback Technique. “Spiccato” exists as both a Playback Technique and Playing Technique" Type Shft-P and enter “spic” - and this works.The other articulation,.“Muted” is where my confusion lies and since Shft-P allows entry of only a single articulations I put in “spicc”. “Muted” does not show as an option via Chft-P (no surprise there, of course). I’m thinking "“Muted” must be a glyph. Looking in the left panel, the only glyph that is close is “Mute on (pt.muted” but it does nothing. So it’s a mystery to me how to get “Muted + Spiccato” to sound and appear at the bottom in Play mode in Playing Technques. I have literally 100’s of the compound articulations in various expression maps which would be very useful if I can get them to sound. The other thing is that in our sample libraries these are usually separate articulations, if they are separate the Dorico must be internally created this compound. In that case they are rather useless when importing to Cubase, I guess.
Con sord. would be for muted. Playing techniques don’t have to be entered at the same time. You could enter Con sord. At the first bar let’s say, and it will stay in effect until somehow cancelled so any spicatto notes would then be mute + spiccato, assuming that the map is done right. This is the effect of playing techniques that are a direction.
Yes Con Sord can be entered. But what about Spiccato? Can’t enter both with Shft-P if want to start on 1st bar. After thinking about this for a while, it seems a bad idea to have Dorico generate compound sounds — in this particular case. My end goal is to import the MIDI into Cubase and have it sound correctly. So that means using only articulations available in the sample player. So my example is maybe not so good. Still I want to know how to get these compounds to appear in Play windows in Playing Techniques”.
Yes you can. Enter one and then deselect the playing technique by clicking on the note that is there again and add the other one.
Dorico only replaces one playing technique with another if you have one selected. It will be selected if you just created it. So you have to create one, deselect the one you just made and create the other. If you don’t deselect, the second will replace the first.
It is very necessary from a musician’s point of view that you sometimes need to play both quiet AND staccato, etc - there are lots of cases for different instruments you know?
Michael, I believe you are referring to is when creating Playback Techniques. For instance, in an xmap you double click on a particular articulation and enter the Playback Techniques window where you can select multiple articulations as you describe.
But what I’m referring to is USING these compounds in Dorico Write mode when the cursor is hovering over a note and you type Shft-P. From here I can only enter a single articulation even if I deselect the 1st articulation and add a 2nd one. Only the 1st shows up. Maybe this isn’t how these compound artculations are entered in Write Mode.
Quite so.
No, both should show up.
I start a new Dorico project using the “String Orchestra” template and click on the rest in Bar 1 of the first violins, Shift-P, con sord, ENTER ENTER
I click on the rest again and shift-P again and spicc, ENTER ENTER
Yes you can do this, but not getting the right sound. I tried this on Berlin Strings Violin I Longs and Shorts and looking at the bottom of the Play window, the Playing Techniques says Natural. Same with BBC SO. My understanding of what this should show “spicc + con sord”
Berlin Strings Violin I Longs and Shorts (I assume SINE version) doesn’t have con sord. so it will only show spicc. in the playing techniques lane, like so:
(This is using the Art Conductor map - OTBSS Violins 1 Longs and Shorts -MC PBT.doricolib)
And here it is again now with the Art Conductor Spitfire BBCSO expression map this time:
SFBOP Violins 1
After changing the map I had to close and reopen the Dorico project file before it showed the correct playing techniques though. it seemed like some kind of glitch where it was still showing the old thing.
There are even more complex ones. In the same map for Violin 1 Longs & Shorts we have an Art Conductor articulation “Legato + Arp + Ostinato + Vibrato” . From what MusicChef showed last week the Legato can be realized with the slur glyph bu that leaves 3 more of which only one can be entered via Shft-P.
In this case the other three get entered via shift-P, not just one. In the same manner as the con sord and spiccato example above.
Only one articulation will sound no matter how many are entered by shft-P.
That’s false. You can see in my screenshot four posts above this that the spicc. and con sord. together (both added with shift-P) are triggering the “Spiccato + CS” compound articulation in the BBCSO expression map.
Seems I have been using the WRONG expression map → “BBCSO Strings” this one doesn’t work correctly. Just imported Art Conductor “SFBOP Violins 1.doricolib” via the Library Manager and now using xmap “SFBOP Violins 1” and VOILA! I have now reproduced exactly what you have “Spiccato + CS” and it works! Michael, you have been a big help getting me through this learning curve and greatly appreciate it. Going to try this on a few more Art Conductor xmaps now.
Its seems that there are occasionally some bugs in Dorico 6 where it doesn’t properly update a staff if you change the map allocated to it (or if you make edits to the map), and then you might not see the expected results. I expect this is related to some of the new caching methodologies they are using for performance improvement. If this happens, close the Dorico project and reopen it.