Dorico only good for simple things?

Yeah seems so to me. They’ll do it all eventually, but I think this every time somebody comes in saying the world is ending b/c Dorico doesn’t have cutaway scores or something.

Or good sense :grin: Dorico is cheap at the lower end, and they’ll later appreciate having all their work in one format.

Speaking of which I see young people doing everything they can to use cheats to not have to pay for software and content. I remind them that one day they’ll be trying to make a living making software and content. Doesn’t get through too well, can’t teach kids anything.

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Almost all my students use MuseScore too, simply because it’s free. Many don’t even use it with a MIDI keyboard. One of my favorite things to do when I teach comp & arranging is to take a lead trumpet line, then extend the input caret through Tpts 2-4 and harmonize it with 4-part harmony on the fly, inputting the rest of the section all at once with a MIDI keyboard. Their jaws always hit the floor, LOL! They are all shocked it takes me about a minute to orchestrate 8 bars this way with Dorico, while I’m sure they all spend well over an hour on it when I give similar assignments for homework.

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Regional cultural differences: here in Australia a Professor is a distinguished position, usually head of a department, only achieved after years of original research and publications, and a high honour. Hence I was shocked that a Professor could say something so ignorant. Now I understand the term in Europe can just refer to any teacher, that explains a lot.

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lol … yeah. They’re paying hundreds per semester for books but can’t afford max $99 for student discount Pro. Cutting back on coffees, social spending and other ‘essentials’ for a while would pay for that. Or just a little busking. I’ve got one at that age, nyet sayeth mehr

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@Andro
No, not really! Its different everywhere in Europe. Here in Austria its like this: You call everyone a Professor, if she/he is teaching at University or a high school. Professor is a official job title for high school teachers. If you are teaching at a university, every student calls you a Professor, doesn’t matter if you are a lecturer (like me) or a full professor (written as Univ.-Prof.Universitätsprofessor). Professor is also an honorary state title for exceptional achievements in the cultural field.

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I mostly teach Masters students, so I try hard not to require them to buy anything. I remember how broke I was and how hard I had to hustle and scuffle in my 20s when I first hit the scene, so I’m pretty sympathetic to all they are dealing with, especially now with even fewer gig opportunities. The only book I require arranging students to buy is Inside the Score, and I provide everything else. For Improv students I use all my own transcriptions and materials. They have to use any simple DAW and any notation software, so most end up using GarageBand or Audacity and MuseScore as they are all free.

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Well, that is not true everywhere in Europe. Here in Germany it is an offical title you get basically in the same way as you in Australia. You need to apply for a position at a university and when you are chosen you are promoted as a Professor. This means you are responsible for a defined academic area, for Research as well as teaching students.

And then thereis the so called honory professor (Prof h.c. eg. honoris causa). That is a title that you get for some life achievements.

When you next have a chance to speak with your professor, ask her for examples of what specific things Dorico cannot do that you might need.

David

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I think this is an interesting question on its own regarding a “heap of things” . I struggle with it in the sense of having a bunch of junk, finding them later, and the load time going through them ( though maybe that is a separate issue for sound design aspects.) Anyone have a solution that works great for them?

I lean some towards one note, maybe somewhat equivalent to your three ring binder except I can paste in pictures, audio, or links and move from phone to computer. I’ve dabbled some in numerical or abc notation just to capture. Sibelius had snippets, but I didn’t get the greatest use out of them. Too short.

I still I often sketch things out with score paper and pencil before entring into Dorico. I rather like the feel of pencil on paper. Probably leftover from my copyist days😉

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I wonder how she would explain away or argue against that it is the ex-Sibelius team augmented since 2016 who have designed and developed Dorico - with a conceptual plan that avoided bolting on new ideas in the way that Sibelius sometimes did.
Or the menu driven early 90’s design of Finale which it remains anchored to and screams notation program for the computer savvy musician rather than ergonomically designed software for musicians.

Agreed plenty of historic ‘nook and cranny’ tools in both Sibelius and Finale, rather like there are in Excel, but nether program has as attractive an interface as Dorico. Bit like aircraft really - if it looks right it flies right :grin::grin:

Frankly my requirements are simple, if the music till Schönberg, can be considered simple. Thus Dorico Pro is 99% Ok here.

In my relative ignorance I don’t know if it’s a notation system that should produce (and playback?) music like this


or this

I’ve seen interesting music here, made by other notation programs, but can Rebecca Saunders be handled by some of those products?
To the “professor” the answer…

Not true at all. Dorico can do everything Finale can do and some things Finale can’t. I’m a former Finale user and glad I made the switch.

I’m not entirely sure about that. After all, Avid’s total disinterest in Sibelius is the reason why Dorico exists at all after it got rid of most of the staff. I doubt things can get much worse.

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What I like more than features in Dorico is how comfortable it feels. It’s a nice home for me to work in, with a consistent, modern UI, sensible shortcuts and nice usability touches. All the rest honestly - Sib, Finale, MuseScore look like unfriendly old school, or unprofessionally developed software.

MuseScore
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That piano keyboard looks childish, as does the menu bars, looks like one of the old Motif derived toolkits. Flat and janky

Sib

Not much better. Is dark mode available on either? Anyhow looks like an old piece of software, the top toolbar is an approach not used anymore in UI design. What’s with the purple keys? Dorico just gives you a nice black dot in the middle (indicating a touch), no need to scream the depressed keys at me

Finale

Same

Dorico

Dark Mode! Consistency, nicely arranged collections of tools which are easily hidden. Nice rounded feel to everything, the music symbols don’t look like the pixel icons in the others. they’re more round, warm and inviting.

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Hunh…Who knew that Tantacrul was a Professor of Music in Vienna.? :wink:

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MuseScore has dark mode.

I don’t think Finale or Sib does, although there are various color options for musical elements, manuscript paper, background, etc.

I’ve used Adobe Lightroom pretty much since it first came out, so Dorico’s dark mode and modular interface felt right at home for me.

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My cornea has very little pigmentation, so I’m particularly light sensitive. White screens are just screaming at me.

His claim to expertise is having done some software, but he doesn’t understand the fundamental concept of the Pareto of usability versus expertise. His work history must have been only on simple mass market apps, because his diatribes hit that one point; software must be brain dead obvious to rank beginners.

I’ve worked on software that goes from that to the extreme in the expertise range. His fundamental mistake is thinking that a little fumbling by new users is an issue, for example the Setup mode. What they did there was give experienced users the power to easily make changes, at the cost of a little confusion for new users. Considering that 99% of the ‘eyeball time’ in the app is experienced users day in and day out, that was a good choice.

His crime was putting up YouTube videos to this effect, then going to work for MuseScore to show the world how it should be done, or something …

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Speak of the devil, an 11 minute bootcamp for Dorico just dropped

I think newbies can safely spare 11 minutes to get over any confusion they might have with the UI

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I can’t see the details, but it looks like the second example can be made with no effort. The first one should be easy to do, and can even play back by using conTimbre.

Paolo

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