Dotted_eight_tremolos

Dorico 6.0 Windows 10/11,

I have be unsuccessful in solving the problem with the last two notes in the following example.

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I can do it with doted half notes inputing two dotted quaters followed by //2 but attempting the same with two dotted sixteeths doesn’ work and gives me an extra rest (1/32)!
Test_1.dorico (1.7 MB)

This is 2/4, so those are triplets, same as the 16th notes, not regular dotted notes. Start a 3:2x triplet, then enter two dotted eighths. Exit note entry mode, hide the tuplet number in Properties, add the slash with Shift+R, /

You mention //2, which would be for a tremolo (as in the thread subject), but these are just triplet 16ths, continuing the rhythm from the first half of the bar.

Test_1.dorico (1.7 MB)

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I followed your instructions but still ended with a 32nd too much space in a 2/4 bar (dotted eigth + eighth):
Test_1.dorico (1.7 MB)

Are you talking about the figure you have in bar 6 of that file? It looks like you didn’t enter the triplet correctly. What you want is a tuplet that’s three 16ths in the space of two; it looks like you’ve got three dotted eighths in the space of two.

To get the right triplet, the safest way is exactly what I indicated above: Make sure you enter 3:2x in the tuplet dialog.

Sorry, My brain is not in sync with yours. Three dotted 16ths - two in this case gives me the same excess space!
Test_1.dorico (1.7 MB)

It looks like you are selecting a dotted sixteenth, and then invoking the tuplet tool without making any changes. This is giving you a tuplet made up of three dotted sixteenths.

Here are the exact steps to follow, assuming that you’re using duration before pitch:

  1. Invoke the tuplet popover by typing ;

  2. Type 3:2x in the popover and hit Enter. Note that you see a triplet made up of sixteenth notes.
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  3. Select the eighth note tool and the rhythm dot (or press 5.)

  4. Enter two (dotted eighth) notes

  5. Exit note entry mode
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  6. Select the two notes (just the notes, not the tuplet part), right-click, and do Beaming > Beam Together

  7. With the two notes still selected, open the Repeats popover with Shift+R, type 1 and hit Enter

  8. Select the two tuplets (just the 3’s, not the notes), open the bottom Properties panel, and turn off the tuplet number

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Your instructions worked, however, when I tried the same procedure on the last beat in a 2/4 bar I got the following result and could not find a way of correcting this. It reminded me of a similar problem in Finale. I think I had to input the tuplet on the first beat and then move it to the end of the bar inserting the first beat last.
Test_1.dorico (1.7 MB)

For some reason*, your second chord was not a tuplet.
You can fix it like this:

*Which can be for example that you unintentionally pressed an arrow key while the tuplet entry was on, which results to turn it of.

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Thanks, problem solved.

I am still struggling with a variant of the above.


The last note depicts two triplets consisting of a total of six sixteenths in a 2/4 bar.

  1. I am wondering how this differs from the previous problem.
  2. Can you help me achieve this in Dorico. I have tried.
    Test_1.dorico (1.7 MB)

I put it in the piano part.
Same as above, choose an 8th triplet, 3:2e (or a 16th sextuplet, 6:4x), and enter a dotted quarter.
Then Shift+R, “2” to get the two strokes on the stem.

Test_1 (4).dorico (1,8 Mo)

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Isn’t this the same notation you asked about in your other thread?

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I couldn’t remember where, but I was sure I had already seen that Schubert trio somewhere on this forum :slight_smile:

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Not quite the same but similar - perhaps two ways of expressing the same thing. It would be useful to know if that is the case. Both expressions are shown above one using a quater not and the other using an eight.
You guessed right - this is from Schuberts Piano Trio (Vln, vC & Pno). The second movement is a favourite of mine and I want to arrange it for Cl, Hrn and Pno. Thanks for the input.

An incredible master-work!

Good idea!

As for the difference, some publishers don’t do it, and/or display a different 16th beaming than yours, as you can see (Bärenreiter here, I think)


Maybe some of them reproduce consciensciously Schubert’s manuscript, while other try to find more consistence… Anyway pianists will play exactly the same music in both cases, so it is not that important!

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