I think this may have been the subject of a query, but as a very new Dorico user, I am having problems with the placement of double barlines. I wish to put a double barline at the end of a section of music. The section ends at the end of a system. I have tried using both the barline popover and editing the barline, but it always appears at the beginning of the first bar of the next system. Is there any way of overcoming this?
As ever, can you show a screenshot, or upload a sample file?
Note that it is expected for the popover to appear on the top of the next system when you select the final barline of the previous system. But typing || in the popover should still produce a double bar on your selected barline.
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Thank you, Ben,
I am still trying to sort this out. If I continue to have the problem I will upload the file.
Dear Ben,
I have uploaded the file in which I have the problem. This is my first project
Alma redemptoris mater.dorico (1.2 MB)
in Dorico, after 25 years of using Finale. I intend to hide empty staves in due course. I have not shown bar numbers at the moment, since I am unsure what the effect of the irregular barring will be. The problem of the double bar placement occurs on Page 6, second system, where the double bar appears at the beginning of the bar and the bar to which it should be attached (end of System 1) has no barline at all. The next place is on Page 7, end of the second system, where the bottom stave has just a single barline.
Essentially, you’ve got a little bit of the previous bar on the second system. Possibly due to every staff having a local time sig.
I’d suggest putting a System Break on the double bar, and then you’ll need to set “Wait for next Break” on the previous Break (top of the page); to force onto one line.
Page 7: you just need to add a local double bar (Hold Alt when you press Return in the popover). Barlines and time signatures are actually the same sort of object, and work in similar ways.
Congratulations! You seem to have got the hang of it. I’d recommend changing the Vertical Justification settings to 60% and 100%. That will cause Dorico to spread the staves apart on the page, rather than just adding white space between the systems.
Hide the empty systems, and you’ll have a nice layout.
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Many thanks, Ben, I shall try that.
Thank you too for the encouraging words about my first effort. I’m finding the learning curve for Dorico a bit vertical. I am very pleasantly surprised at how many features it has, such as being able to do different bar lengths in different parts. Most of my work is with Handel, preparing performing editions of the operas, for example. At the moment I am finding working with Dorico much slower than Finale, probably because I am used to Finale. Since deadlines tend to be a bit challenging, I will probably run the two programs in tandem until such time as I feel confident to move full time to Dorico.
Once you get up to speed with using the popovers, and assigning your own shortcuts to commands you use quite often, then you really get fast. I started moving over a few years ago, and I’m certainly much faster at entry than I was in Finale (and after that, there’s much less to do!)
I’d recommend assigning something to Duplicate to Staff Above/Below. I’ve used Shift Alt N and M, which fits the other N/M things.
Also, you can apply shortcuts that are sequences of keys. So I filter notes by Command F, followed by N; and I filter Lyrics by Command F followed by L; and Text by Command F, followed by X.. You get the idea!
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Many thanks - that sounds really good.
I tried your fixes. They work! Now to see if the people who asked me to do it are happy.
It may be diving in at the deep end, but there is a Salieri opera which I have thought about putting on the computer. I do not have a commission for it, but having prepared two of his operas I thought it would be useful to have in reserve, so to speak. I am currently in a bit of a quiet period, so I think I will use it to try to get to grips with Dorico properly and see where the journey takes me.
With best wishes
Peter
This may be useful.
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Many thanks, Ben
That’s really helpful. FYI (as they say) I have attached a few pages of one of my opera editions so that you can see my style. I keep things fairly spartan. I don’t put headings on each page. I don’t name the recitative staves. The two characters in this excerpt are different voice ranges, but when the characters use the same clef, I put a small one when the new character sings. I also put accidentals on the bass where it crosses into a new system. I don’t use elision marks in the underlay. The figured bass is in a third party font. Now I shall carry on getting my head around Dorico.
With thanks and best wishes
Peter
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14.pdf (106 KB)
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