Can we have this moved to the ISSUES forum please moderators?
Just installed Cubase 10.5 and this is going on still. It’s very annoying, I can’t comp a group unless all the lines are opened, it doesn’t make much sense to be honest.
The weird things is that over the years I’ve worked on different Cubase set-ups and in some of them it behaves like this and in others it doesn’t (I think?) meaning that you can comp a whole group without having all the lanes opened.
I’ve been reading the manual as I though I must be missing something but I can’t find anything so far. Anyone?
+1. The current behavior breaks itself
Still I don’t get it why it doesn’t work for you complainers. As mentioned before I’ve done group editing on drums a zillion times. Obviously I have super powers as I did and do tight work with a supposedly broken function 
The kind of picky behaviour with event length and the zero-crossing-pitfall are bothering and unnecessary in my eyes - could definately be improved. But once you know about them those two guys are pretty easy to sail around.
What’s wrong with cutting using comp tool + alt? It works through all lanes no matter how much are expanded. Clicking any piece of a take on any tracks’ open lanes with the comp tool makes it the playing piece of audio throughout all tracks. Mission accomplished. I just can repeat that it works.
Hi marQs, I don’t understand it either, hence my comment.
As I stated in my previous post I know it’s supposed to work, but out of the 3 systems where I work it does work in one and not in the other 2. The most recent one is a clean install just done a few weeks ago in a computer where Cubase was never installed before. Yes I have zero crossing off and the even length is the same and it hasn’t been edited at all.
So my guess is that
a) There is a preference somewhere that I’m not aware of that it’s causing it (not zero crossing)
b) It just doesn’t work properly
Yes I use this very often and yes it’s a total pain to have to open 16 channels of drums in order to comp, which I have to go one by one.
Aside from this, I do agree with everybody that I’ve always felt that the way group editing works in Cubase is unreliable, you need to be very careful with not editing/cutting anything or it will go out of sync and once it does the whole thing becomes a mess.
I’m sure there are workarounds that I don’t know of but group editing should be very straight forward in my opinion.
Every single use of folder tracks messes up for me within minutes of editing marQs. I’m a daily 10 hours a day pro studio user. Zero crossing off. Sync on folder form start of use. Using all editing tools (scissor, arrow, drag boundaries of parts).
My observation is that the bug is in front to back stacking - it somehow allows one or two tracks in a group to be treated differently when a scissor cut is made depending on the lane stacking. From that point folder sync is broken.
Note too I tend to do most of my editing with lanes closed or the first lane in a group only open. Its the only way I can organise the screen in a 18 mic drum folder for example. 10.5 … stil the same since maybe Cubase 6 or 7. Cant remember anymore.
I’m not aware of anything, but I’ll take a fresh look to the preferences. Most of them are set since forever.
In case preferences matter, you could try saving them from the machine where all works as expected and loading them on the other two for testing if it makes a difference.
Addition - here are my current and working C10.5 preferences to test:
Just found this thread which I’m glad to see reveals that I am not going nuts - I’ve not personally had any Comp Tool issues when editing grouped tracks in a folder .
But tonight I found an apparently v. similar issue with sync loss between tracks in a folder groups…
My scenario: I am tracking a 12-channel/track multi-mic drum session with all the mic tracks in a folder together. When I went to audition my various takes I could hear all sorts of weird flamming on the drums. At first I thought I’d just fluffed the take (even though it felt good tracking it!) so I skipped to a different take in the folder group - same thing.
I’d had only the first track’s lanes ‘expanded’ for the very same reasons as other posters - I only need to see the first (in my case, kick mic) lanes just to verify that I’ve been recording OK - so I’d left all the other tracks in the folder with their lanes un-expanded to de-clutter things massively.
When I opened up all the other tracks, I noticed that the ‘S’ (the indicator/button to select a specific lane for playback was completely out of sync from my kick track and the others - so on the kick mic I was listening to (say) take 6, and yet the other newly-expanded lanes were playing take (say) 8.
Hence it sounded like crap. When I expanded all lanes, the sync of the ‘S’ button started working all OK again. I didnt get the dreaded ‘Group editing might fail’ message at all when testing to see what would happen if I de-and-re-selected the ‘=’ Group button - all the tracks’ events are OK.
But this loss of sync just wasted me a lot of time to figure, complete workflow breaker and obviously a buggy bit of programming. I’ve been a Cubase user since Pro24 and as such have got a lot of time/effort invested in the program which makes me want to remain so. But this is just poor, and really disappointing. I would log a call with Steinberg but over the past few years have found their support to also be sadly lacking (2 hours a day on some day, phone call to Germany, no response for > 1 month for last ticket…) so if anyone has a route to get this logged as a bug then I’m more than happy to +1 any bug fix post anywhere.
Hope the above is useful for someone,
David
nightmare to scroll up/down etc.
Yes, please!
This is really about time Steinberg sorts this Bug out. The grouping of Audio editing should never be broken. I find the Lane editing hand tool is the culprit for me, I never use it ever as it’s function is utterly broken in group editing. I do Drum editing daily. Wake up steinberg no more fancy plugins fix the BASIC functions.
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Hi, I would lie to point Steinbergs attention to this issue again. It is a basic and very important function. Group editing should be rock solid! Tis is costing me a lot of time.
On Cubase 11 I still experience a lot of problems in group editing. Please, please please, please, please please fix this!
It would be a dream if I can do al sorts of edits on the lanes of one track and keep the lanes of other tracks in the group unexposed and not have to worry about losing sync!
Also for my customers, to see me doing a simple edit on the drums, having to expand all lanes (lane by lane), it surely does not look as Cubase is a professional DAW! (which it is in all other area’s)
Please make group editing rock solid!
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Keep the comp tool active, deactivate the snap to zero, use ALT to cut the tracks and all should be sync´d.
Its a different way, pro tools makes this much easier but you have to create Group tracks and navigating in the playlist works like charm.
I feel all of you, sometimes it can get a bit tedious making sure all the other 14 or more tracks inside the folder (for drums for example) get in the correct comp! eheh
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How do you get this to work? When I use Comp tool and press Alt (Option), I get the square scissor tool that allows me to drag a copy of the event (same as Cmd+Opt without the Comp tool).
Could it be that on mac is different key combination ? For me in windows works like this.