Is it possible to edit an existing tuple? e.g. change a triplet to a quadruplet? If not, that would be a really helpful option.
Michael
A triplet to a quadruplet, I’m not sure I understand what it means rhythmically. But you can start another tuplet where the existing tuplet starts (it will create a nested tuplet), and delete the original one.
An example of how you can turn a 5tuplet into a 6tuplet:
If it doesn’t help, please provide a screenshot to explain exactly what you’re trying to achieve.
What I had in mind are situations like those below. In A, B or C, I would like an easier way to change the first group into the second group (or vice versa) without deleting the tuple and starting again.
You suggestion, Charles, is one that I would not have thought of (kudos) and I can find no mention of it in the documentation. I works for the case you show in your video, and in other that I have tried. Where is does not work is in a case like B. On the second system I show what happened when I created the eighth note tuplet. All good until I delete the quarter note tuple. This then alters the following grouping.
I am looking for a more general solution, and any suggestions are welcome.
Michael
The principle is the same for tuplets with different denominators.
If I understand correctly: in cases A and C you’re replacing a tuplet with another tuplet of the same duration, whereas in case B you’re replacing it with a tuplet that’s twice as short.
So in cases A and C you can use the method I described above:
A:
C:
For case B, you can do the same and get a quarter rest after the new shorter tuplet:
Or use Insert Mode (I’m pressing letter I before deleting) and pull the following music to the left:
Note that I use the beat units syntax (3:2e, 6:4x…)
In addition to the method given by @charles_piano, you can also do most of this without the nested tuplet, with judicious use of Insert mode. Basically, with insert mode on, music will move around as you change rhythmic values.
Here I turn insert mode on and start by deleting the tuplet, turning the notes into full quarters and pushing everything to the right. Then I turn the quarters into eighths, and then add the tuplet to the eights, which pulls things back to the right. Finally, I use the Bars popover (Shift+B) to insert the beat that has “disappeared”. Note that the following bar has the same four quarters that it did when I started.
Don’t forget to turn insert mode off when you’re done!
This is the most anxiety-inducing workflow in Dorico. Seeing everything misplaced. A considerate approach in UI would be to do it all under the hood.
I disagree. Seeing exactly what is happening (and thus understanding how Dorico treats musical time) reduces anxiety.
Thank you!
Thank you very much!
An easy way to reduce the anxiety is to save your work first. Another way is to try out solutions on a duplicate file! Understanding how things work – as @Janus notes – gives confidence in what one is doing. Doing the task several times gives experience — “practice makes permanent.”
— Jim
You misunderstood my point. I know the process and have used it many times. It doesn’t change the fact that, in my opinion, editing tuplets in Dorico is very unpleasant, and it’s a user unfriendly workflow.
It’s not worth arguing about but my comments were directed as advice for whoever gets anxious, worried, or scared when trying something new or complex that is anxiety-inducing.
Fair point.