Electric guitar library

I’ve asked this before in the past, but not in a while. Maybe things have changed.

I use Dorico 6 Pro exclusively with NotePerformer. But NP does not have a credible electric guitar patch – I mean Carlos Santana, not Wes Montgomery – something with overdrive, feedback, etc.

Has anybody found a sound library or VST instrument that, if meticulously scored, would allow a player to play halfway-authentic-sounding guitar parts?

I need this for just one piece, so if anywone can recommend a free version, especially if I could hear a demo first, that would be ideal. I really only need one instrument.

I’ve gone through most of the higher-profile candidates, but none fit the bill, either terrible support (I wasn’t even able to download one), available only as 32-bit DLLs, etc.

I’m running 64-bit WIndows 11.

Thanks to anybody who can help.

D

Ample has a decent selection:

Highly programmable, realistic slides, hammer-on/pull-offs, harmonics etc. with some amp choices. Lots of things to fiddle with.

In the NP mixer, you can set it to use separate outputs. Then add a distortion plugin on the guitar channel, perhaps.

Jesper

If I’m not mistaken, NP also has a CC that can switch on/off distortion but it’s nowhere near as realistic as Ample or even some Kontakt e-guitars (electric mint, e.g.)

But free.

Jesper

Have you looked at Spitfire Labs? Some are free.

I haven’t used it myself, but this one regularly gets a nod when people are after a good free electric Guitar VST.

You’ll need the Kontakt Player (also free)

I’ve looked at most of these and eliminated them for various reasons.

For example, Shreddage. (Warning – I’m not giving all the details of the ordeal that discouraged me from pursuing Shreddage, but this account is still crazy long.)

Shreddage had the best-sounding demo I’d heard. I figured, free version, I just go on the site, click “download”, and try it out – fait accompli!

But when I tried downloading the “free” trial version, the site refused to download anything until unless I gave it a PayPal user name, authorized it as a PayPal merchant, and made a “voluntary donation” of at least $5 to “cover bandwidth costs.”

OK, I did all that and the company said I would receive a download link within a few minutes. Nothing came in. After waiting a few hours, I went through the whole process again, got another download promise, and still nothing. The next day, multiple emails from the company finally appeared without warning.

Those emails contained links to download instructions. I quickly discovered that what the seller didn’t tell me is that I’d have to also install Native Instruments Kontakt Player in order to use Shreddage. And that meant setting up yet another account, this time with NI. Arg! Does this mean that Shreddage isn’t a standard VST that I can load into Dorico – that I need a Kontakt player to use it? Or do I also need to somehow install Kontact into Dorico? At this point, who knows? Should I have even continued?

But then it got even worse. After setting up NI, I then would also have to install something called Pulse Downloader, then use a NI serial number to “redeem and download” a “Pulse Downloader instrument.”

Finally, I’d – if all went well – have to register, then activate the downloaded instrument (I assume that this instrument is Shreddage, although it’s never named in the instructions) “in Native Access”, which I assume must be some other Native Instrument product or service. Before I started down that rabbit hole, I wondered whether I’d need to pay for any of these things? No information about that. Only a series of scary paragraphs about possible errors that could occur.

After all that, there were even more instructions about how to load, access, and use the instrument in Kontakt Player. But nothing to indicate whether Kontakt is somehow needed to use Shreddage in a score. Is it even a standard VST3? Or VST2? Or 64-bit? Who knows if it even works with Dorico 6 Pro?

What I mean is that I need to be able to add Shreddage to Dorico for use in just one player, and to create expression maps, articul.ations & playing techniques, whatever for that player. I’m not familiar with the process of using multiple VSTs in one score because I use NotePerformer for all my other players, toth to keep things simple for myself and to make it easier to share scores with collaborators. So I was steeled for this final stage to be a learning experience (one that I know I could figure out); but all this other BS was more than I wanted to deal with. All I want is a quick-and-dirty download of a reasonable-sounding guitar patch for one-time use in a few hundred measures of a single composition.

So although Shreddage initially seemed like it might do the trick, I finally gave up. I’m sure that, given the amateurish, hard-to-naviate UIs that plague the music-software industry – and the problems I’d already experienced with the simplest parta of the process, like ordering and receiving a confirmation email – this, sadly, wasn’t the droid I’m looking for.

Too bad. I had high hopes for this one. Maybe I’ll have a drink at some point and try to tackle it again.

Spitfire and Ample had other issues, some similar, some unique.

I’m wondering if anyone can recommend a product that they’ve actually integrated into Dorico and found it satisfactory. Everything I’ve looked at has proven to have dealbreaking problems.

For example, Dorico requires 64-bit VSTs. So after downloading and manually installing one of these products, I went crazy trying to get Dorico to see it until I did some research and foundt hat it was available only in 32-bit form.

So what I’m hoping for in this conversation is a recommendation from someone who has already had a successful experience with some product. If I KNEW it could be configured to work, and sounded half-decent, I would have no problem paying for it. But given how things have gone, I’m looking primarily for free versions that I can install & evaluate to figure out if it’s worth buying a more fully-functioned pay version.

@derAbgang

I did speak with Wallender abou NP’s electric-guitar distortion, but the function is so limited that it’s virtually unusable in most scores. The NP people mentioned that they’re thinking about creating a better electric guitar at some point, but there’s could not give me even a ballpark ETA. I get the impression it won’t appear any time soon, since this isn’t the kind of company that likes to cut corners in order to release a lower-quality product sooner.

derAbgang

16h

If I’m not mistaken, NP also has a CC that can switch on/off distortion but it’s nowhere near as realistic as Ample or even some Kontakt e-guitars (electric mint, e.g.)

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I hadn’t thought of that. But it’s a great idea.

So a simpler question might be: Are there any VST “distortion” or sustain plug-ins that could use the information in a NP electric-guitar player’s part to convert NP’s sound to something akin to the infinite-sustain tone of Carlos Santana or Mahavishnu John McL? If I could plug that into the NP mixer, that would be a great solution b/c it would let NP still control much of the underlying performance of the part.

Hmmm…

@jesele

What you’re saying is intriguing, but I have no idea what you mean. How would I route a single mixer track to a distortion plug-in?

I downloaded & installed “BC Free Amp”, but don’t see any way to use it in Dorico, much less NP.

You have to activate separate stereo tracks in the NP mixer as I showed.
Then expand the Dorico mixer view, and add the VST under Inserts on the guitar track.

Jesper

Whoa, thanks, @jesele. That was easy!

The plug-in sounds lousy, but this proof-of-technology demo was super helpful. Now at least I have some idea of how this can be done, if & when I find the right VST.

C

FWIW, I happen to use the NP electric guitar (without distortion) and insert Amplitube or Tonex in the mixer, in the guitar tracks’s insert (NP 5 can deliver multiple outputs that match Dorico’s mixer and that’s what I use all the time) and create my guitar sound just as I would in real life…

I have worked with, integrated into Dorico and enjoyed Ample guitars for a few years now. If you search, you can probably find my expression maps and playback template.

OK, good advice. Let me try out Amplitude.

I’ve been playing with Blue Cat’s Amp, combined with various Halion electric guitars and gotten passable results. But I’m still not crazy about them And I see that some common playing techniques & articulations simply don’t work with that combination – not even stacatto. So not a great solution.

I guess another alternative would be to define several carefully tweaked guitar instruments – overdrive, clean, distortion, etc. – assign them all to the same player and score an instrument change every time I want a different effect. Might get pretty cumbersome, though. Ample+NP would be a nice straightforward solution if I can get it to work for this particular piece.

There are thousands of electric guitar VSTs out there… after all an electric guitar is simply a plucked string with a bunch of add-on effects.

The notation problem is how to write those effects on the page so they can be realised.

Hah! I can’t think of a single electric guitarist I know who wouldn’t roll his eyes at that comment!

@MarcLarcher does the Amplitude instrument understand Dorico’s guitar-playing techniques and articulations? The Halion guitar does not seem to.