Simple question, long explanation: is it possible to have an elision between two hyphenated syllables and to keep the hyphen?
It may seem like a very unlikely situation, but it happens in Portuguese. The text might be “Canta-o bem” (sing it well) and be attributed to notes like [can-ta_o bem]; however, without the hyphen (“Canta o bem”) not only is it a grammatical error but it means something else (sing the goodness).
If there isn’t a good way of achieving this, is there a “cheating” one?
On windows you can use Alt+0150 (–) and Alt+0151 (—) to insert a hyphen or em-dash. I used 150 in the graphic. You could also add a space character (which I think is 160) before the hyphen.
I looked among the extensions for IPA (phonetics), and found a slur-like combination sign at codepoint U+035C (called ‘COMBINING DOUBLE BREVE BELOW’) which looks like this if used after a non-breaking hyphen (U+2011) (lyric font Academico):
Also not perfect, but maybe acceptable?
@TiagoMarques do a forum search for “Liturgico.” I created a little mini-font for exactly this purpose.
Edit: here. Elision mark in text frame? - #3 by dan_kreider
I forgot I had that font installed. I changed the lyrics font to Liturgico. No matter how I enter the lyrics (including using alt-0150 for the hyphen and entering an underscore multiple times) I can’t get the elision to extend under more than one character. In my test I get “Can-ta[space with the elision under it]–o.” In a word processor or text editor it works fine. Trying to paste from the word processor doesn’t work either. Is there something to using in lyrics that I’m missing?
No, you have to go into Edit Single Lyric and insert ONLY that glyph as Liturgico. Keep the regular lyric font.
I keep forgetting about the edit single lyric. I guess it’s been too long since I’ve run across any foreign language hymns in the ones I’m working on. Thanks.
I’m trying to understand the original question lexically. If it is normally hyphenated in regular text, I would just:
Do you need the elision?
Dunno about here, but the elision is sometimes preferred to indicate that a big chunk of linguistic goodness should be treated as a single syllable.
You can enter the same style of hyphen between lyrics by pressing Alt and the - key in the popover.
(Also, Alt+Shift+Space can be used to enter a space.)
Thank you all for your input. In the meanwhile, I managed to solve it with a Playing Technique with a single hyphen, which I moved in Engrave Mode to sit above the elision. It’s cumbersome and not flexible, but it solved the problem.
Dan, thank you for the suggestion! I will check out Liturgico and start using it, however seldom it might be. Maybe I’ll find more goodness in that font to use regularly.
Mark: the problem is that ‘ta’ and ‘o’ in ‘canta-o’ are in fact two separate syllables, and should be notated that way, even if under the same note. The elision is thus desirable.
As for the other suggestions, however well-meant they might be, graphically they don’t look as good. Still, I do thank you taking the time and effort to reply.
Liturgico works easily here. Add a small elision mark at the end of the syllable preceding the hyphenation.