Embedding metadata within a cubase/nuendo session for export to files

I see that it’s possible to add metadata to a soundfile that is to be exported, but it can’t be saved in the session. I was wondering, it shouldn’t be too hard to be able to manually add metadata to a session so that it’s saved within the session … whenever a soundfile is exported, the metadata would be automatically saved with the export. Seems simple and logical to me? What do you guys/gals think?

Sounds logical and intuitive to me as well. I’m pretty sure this has been requested before.

PS. I would add the feature-request tag to your topic.

Done … I appreciate it, all the best!

It would be helpful if you could name the meta data that you have in mind.

Album/song/project art: jpg/png (min. 1200x1200 ???)
Album/song/project title:
Album/song/project artist:
Album/song/project number:
Album/song/project composer:
Album/song/project publisher:
Copyright:
UPC/EIN/ISRC code:
Year:
Genre:
Web:
Album/song/project Notes:
Comments:

These are just my thoughts … thanks for your interest. It would be a great help to have these automatically export with the audiofile info.

It’s already a request since years and through several Cubase versions to save Metadata with the project. From several users. If you want to export a MP3 you have to type in the data every time. Never understood why those simple things were not implemented besides all the features that have added so much complexity

Thanks for listing the items you have in mind. Are you aware of any standards that should be supported ? I understand mp3s have their ID3(v2) tag but wave files usually don’t. And I don’t think there is anything specified within BWF or the iXML chunk either.

But if this info is getting stored by Cubase, some other software has to be able to read it. Which software would that be?

As you can tell, I am not a mastering engineer.

I just searched a little bit and found, that e.g. radio staions are using metadata as well in WAV. And there’s a free tool BWF MetaEdit available that allows to write metadata into WAV files, read and edit them.

But as far as I understood they are not so much standard as in MP3 and this might cause some problems opening such WAV files in some applications.

Cubase allows obviously to store tempo information in the audio files

This is available on Wavelab, I believe.

If you want to ensure compatibility you need to know exactly with what. As I said, I am not aware of any standard regarding these meta data. That’s why I am asking. It has to be specific.

Johnny …

I tried to give you the fields on my fave metadata editor (ez CD extractor). I’m not an expert on the exact fields, but simply include the art and most relevant fields (or all of them) would be great. You guys ate much more provat this than I am … but it’s time to put this feature in both Cubase and nuendo.

Dave

Dave,
the thing is: you ask Cubendo to write something. I am trying to find out who you think should read this information?

E.g. Cubendo already can write tempo information into an audio file. No other software will be able to read this data, however, unless they specifically program their software to do so. There is simply no established standard that all software will adhere to. At least I am not aware of one.
Certainly you must have a software or a person in mind who needs to be able to read the information. Only CD Extractor? This would be the Red Book standard (for creating audio CDs) then, or possibly an extension of it. The last time I dealt with the Red Book was probably 25 years ago.

Johnny … finally, I think I know where we are miscommunicating … This is not about being able to be read by other software … it’s about storing the metadata within cubendo and then having that metadata be “automatically” saved within any soundfile (or videofile) that has been exported from this session. Of course this metada info has been standardized for decades. Does this help?

I thought this topic was about retaining ID3 data for a project between sessions..?

My thought from the very beginning was to be able to enter and save id3 metadata within a cubendo session … so that whenever a soundfile (or videofile) is exported from that session, the id3 metada would be saved in the exported soundfile.

ID3 data only applies to MP3 files though.

It actually hasn’t. That is what I am trying to bring across.
There are standards for audio CD creation, there are standards for MP3 files but there is no standard for plain audio files (wave, aiff) for the infos you would like to see stored.
There is the BWF standard but this contains other information. Have a look here if you are interested.

I’m sorry, everybody is misunderstanding what I’m wanting. Come on folks … I’m just trying to save metadata within the session to save to exported audio without having to re enter the data. Please don’t over complicate this idea.

I don’t wanna upset you but you haven’t really been able to express where this data is suppposed to go to. If it is just for your personal information you can simply create a small text file, enter the data there and save it in your project folder.

It is almost like you say “I want to drive the car”. Then I ask “in which direction do you want to go?”, then you say “no, you don’t understand, I just want to drive the car”. Then I respond “driving a car implies that it needs to go to a direction” and then you say “don’t overcomplicate things”.

Johnny … This is not necessarily true. Ok … we have a session/song. Then we want to export this song to a flac file. At present, you have to manually enter the metadata each time. I would love to have the metadata saved In the session.

Metadata for exported soundfiles, not for CDs, not just for mp3s but for all exported soundfiles … pretty simple.

I really appreciate it Johnny…