Hi,
I’ve encountered an issue with DOP first in N13 and now also in N14. When I choose to “Make all permanent” in DOP window, the event loses some vital metadata, for example original track names from field recorder. Some metadata seems to stay in place, like Record Date. Is this a bug or is there a feature hidden somewhere where I can select what metadata is conserved?
Thanks!
Has anyone found a solution to this?
Thanks for pointing this out, this is a serious issue on dialogue editing projects. Was not aware of this.
It is always good practice to keep a copy of the original clips (deactivated and hidden), for other issues like user error, but here it is actually necessary it seems.
I’ll try it asap and see which data is lost.
Care to share which DOP processes you used? With RX Connect than i expect metadata loss, but simple stuff like declipping should not alter metadata beyond adding processing.
“It is always good practice to keep a copy of the original clips (deactivated and hidden), for other issues like user error, but here it is actually necessary it seems.”
Yes, indeed!
It doesn’t seem to matter what process is used, if it’s a plugin or Steinberg’s own “process”, when committing the metadata is lost.
I don’t see that.
Before: (see infoline)
After “Make permanent”
Something else is at play here.
Fredo
Hmmm. For me it’s like this:
Before
After
Record Date stays but track name and scene disappears. Strange!
You are on a Mac, I think. Could it be a Mac bug?
Might be related to which plugin is used.
Worked for me with a Steinberg plugin.
Fredo
Yes, Mac. I think I’ll contact support!
For me it doesn’t matter what plugin is used, always the same result! Can I ask, are you Fredo on Windows?
I was wrong.
Apparently the infoline only gets refreshed when selecting another event.
So indeed, metadata is lost.
Will report.
Fredo
Yes, it stays there until you select something else!
Yes, this happens here, too. Annoying as hell while dialog editing.
Must say - and this is personal- I never-ever made something permanent in the DOP process. Why would you do that?
That being said, I do do this with things processed in ARA, just because it becomes messy after a while. Which is not the case with DOP …
Please clarify
Fredo
exactly this…
we have some issues with lost linking of edit files after Auto Align Post, even after making the ARAs permanent. What actually helps is render -0.01dB Gain (or similar) on the clip and making it permanent, which generates a new Audio file which is much more “stable” than the Edit Files, if that makes sense. That on the other hand makes “Track-Info” useless, because this gets deleted and you son’t know what is boom, or which lav is in that clip etc.
I am in a rush at the moment, so can’t elaborate further unfortunately.
Ok, I’ll try 
I hope this makes sense.
You can’t for example:
why I sometimes like to do it in this order and I have to make the first step permanent before applying the ARA for it to work.I’d like to add that there might a number of reasons why somebody would like to make DOP permanent but I do think it’s a bit of an oversight or a bug in the system for it to behave this way and lose the metadata. On another side note I’d like to add, I love N14 and the “proper” event volume curves! 
Hmmm still don’t understand.
I do this every day.
=====>>>>> All metadata is preserved
====> Previous DOP processes are made permanent.
Might be more stable now (just updated to N14!), but at least while using N12 and applying RX connect more than once quite frequently returned audio misaligned. Making the process permanent (or using bounce selection) before second application made it behave as expected
New problem with N14 is that after “Make ARA process permanent” there is no way back. Even if there is some error. Man have to do whole editing of clip again.
Oh god…
