Exclude notes from horizontal spacing?

Is there a setting where I can exclude certain notes from the horizontal spacing algorithm?

specifically, I have a grace-note sized heptuplet as the reference notes for a harp glissando.

However, being a heptuplet of 16th notes (with neither stems nor beams), they take up horizontal space the way normal notes would.

This means that notes on other staves, for that one beat, are horribly stretched out to fit the heptuplet.

Don’t think so.

There are a few other workarounds for gliss pedalling indications. Have you explored any others?

what other work-arounds are you thinking of?

Sorry, before I continue, do you have an example of what you’re after? I have a hunch I might be referring to something different.

Eg this thread of yours:

I guess it wouldn’t be hard to make the tuplet even shorter in order to tighten the spacing…

the tuplet is already as tight as it can go.

what I’d like is for the tuplet NOT to affect the horizontal spacing of other voices.

it’s a slightly different issue from that older thread.

for example, let’s say you have a harp gliss that lasts three beats.
there’s that heptuplet of cue note sized notes on beat one that gives you the string tuning.

simultaneously, all the woodwinds are playing three beats of rising 16th notes.

that harp heptutplet skews the spacing of the 16th notes on beat one, stretching them out to fit the spacing of the 7:4 gliss marking.

I know I could, instead, make the glissando cover a longer time, for example have those seven 16th notes cover two beats instead of one. however this will sacrifice more-or-less correct playback for the visual look.


I made a simple example, though this is a more serious issue where the notes in other instruments contain more complex rhythms that really rely on spacing for clarity.

here you can see that the first measure the harp gliss fits on 2 beats of that flute part.
But playback is wrong, with the 7 initial notes of the harp playing too slowly.

In the second example, the playback is good, except the notation is not. You can clearly see that the flute part has too much spacing on the first beat.

Yep, you can use the circular spacing handles to move only the selected note without moving the entire spacing column across all staves.

yeesh, ok, that’s going to be VERY tedious.

the problem is WHICH notes do I move?

I suspect that moving the harp notes will not affect the misplaced notes in the rest of the orchestra?

Which would mean having to respace the rest of the orchestra just so the harp can be properly spaced?

I guess that for now, this is one minor place where F****e has a leg up on Dorico.

Space the orchestra, then adjust the harp using the circular handles. It’s still a net win for Dorico. I’ve been there.

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I don’t think so.
I’ll have to live with the weird harp spacing. there’s no way I’m going through a 100+ page orchestral score and adjusting every page for the harp.

Have you considered and rejected the idea of just using a pedal diagram? That will give you correct playback with a simple gliss line, and be easier for harpists to read as well.

the harp part is edited by a professional harpist, so I’m not going to alter everything she did to remedy a minor issue with Dorico. Besides, pedal diagrams every few beats is not the way to go.

like I said, I’ll have to live with it until the team come up with a better way of handling harp glissandi in Dorico.

Just to be clear, can you upload an example of what you’re looking for?

I did, in a post up above.
there are two examples, one with the way Dorico handles a gliss that will playback correctly but looks wrong, and one with a gliss that looks right but plays back incorrectly.

Sorry @Michel_Edward… I overlooked this! Actually maybe the edit was done and I missed it… anyway

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