Expression Maps

Thurisaz,

I agree that Overture’s implementation of mapping articulations is fast. Although if it’s of any interest… someone pointed me to this thread after I posted this feature request: https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=246&t=139670

Overture has some mapping simplicity, though it also needs a more organized UI (Don mentioned that he knows this). He invited me to NAMM and he’s easily the most user-oriented programmer I’ve ever known. Plus it’s a serious credit to him being a one-man-band. But that said, I don’t think Steinberg should necessarily look to Overture here. While Don is user-oriented for functionality, UI and ease-of-use are another world. That’s the area that I believe your input is touching on the most.

Anyway, I’d just suggest keeping FR’s closer to the way Dorico/Cubase works. It’s the only way to make headway half the time.

-Sean

Hello,

Does anyone know if Dorico also supports the al new Iconic Orchestra Library by HALion with an expression map?

Thanks a lot for some information!

Fabian

Dear Fabian,
Please search the forum before you post.
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=246&t=140407

Hi to the Forum.

I’m attempting to finally start using Dorico in its version 2, and have been watching the YouTube Dorico videos etc so I can start to get familiar with it. I would need some time to learn how to create an expression map, so, instead, what I’m planning to do is to import a midi file from a score I’ve been working on in Sibelius (as a midi file exported from Sibelius), and then open it in Dorico. I’d like to import all of the controller data etc achieved in my original score and edit it further in Dorico using it’s new controller lanes. Is it possible, that we can “type” key switch messages into the Dorico score as we do in Sibelius and “hide” them?


thanks if anyone has any info on this. Sorry if this is an obvious question - I’ve just starting to watch the Dorico videos on note entering etc, so this is all new to me.

best,

Steve.

You can’t type MIDI messages directly into Dorico using text as you can in Sibelius, so you can’t add keyswitch notes using text: you will indeed need to create an expression map to send keyswitch notes.

Hi Daniel,

thanks for your reply. Yes, you correct, an expression map is going to be the way to go, and from the videos I’ve seen, it doesn’t appear to be that hard. I’ll watch again and give it a go. I’m enjoying what I’ve seen so far about Dorico. Very exciting learning new software, and Dorico has so many amazing features, I’m itching to get stuck into learning it :slight_smile:

best,

Steve

It is possible to keep key-switches on an independent supplementary play-back stave which you manually redirect to the same plugin/channel. You can then filter such a supplemental player/stave from view via master page settings in the engrave mode. From there such hidden staves will show up in Galley View, but be hidden from your page view.

Ultimately you’ll want to build your expression maps and attach things to techniques, but it’s nice to know that when you need to manually apply key-switches frequently, a supplemental stave is an option.

I am very interested in VSL maps for orchestral and percussion instruments. With VSL one often has to input a keyswitch, controller value and patch number for the desired sound. Is that currently possible with Dorico?

As a long-term and committed VSL user, I hope that the Dorico and VSL teams continue to work together to improve the relationship between Dorico and VSL playback.

Would it be easy to modify this for the Garritan Instrument library that comes with Finale? Also, is there a Playback template for Aria Player?

There is no playback template for ARIA, but you can of course set it up yourself. I can’t speak to whether or not it would be easy to modify the GPO5 expression map to match up to the Finale bundled sound library.

The GIFF (Garritan Instruments for Finale) is mostly a subset of GPO, so shouldn’t be too difficult.

I’m confused between the doricolib files, which Dorico imports, and the expressionmap files available from Steinberg, which Dorico doesn’t seem to import.

I’m going to setup a Github project for creating ARIA support files.

Thanks @Mark for GPO5 download link page. I also needed the download link.

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It is possible to keep key-switches on an independent supplementary play-back stave which you manually redirect to the same plugin/channel. You can then filter such a supplemental player/stave from view via master page settings in the engrave mode. From there such hidden staves will show up in Galley View, but be hidden from your page view.

Ultimately you’ll want to build your expression maps and attach things to techniques, but it’s nice to know that when you need to manually apply key-switches frequently, a supplemental stave is an option.
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Hi Brian,

I just found your post. Thanks for that. That is exactly what I’m looking for. If it can do that, well, that will do for the time being while I’m getting to learn my way around Dorico. I’ll have to start experimenting with this, but before I can do what you’ve recommended, I need to get to work on learning how to set up my score first, enter notes, etc etc, as at the moment, I’m still working on the score in Sibelius, which I plan to export over to Dorico when finished, and see how I go from there.

thanks again for your reply.

Steve :slight_smile:

Is it possible yet to sniff out or own templates? I’m not afraid of XML and have some experience with sending proper VSTi paths for calling up Garritan instruments, but no idea where such files should go in Dorico.

Dear Brian,

This one is very recent…
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=246&t=141072

+1

Brian, I’m just exploring creating a playback template for ARIA. As I understand it, in the following locations:

Mac: /Library/Application Support/Steinberg/Dorico 2
Windows: %APPDATA%\Steinberg\Dorico 2

You need to create two folders, one called PlaybackTemplateGenerators and another called PluginPresetLibraries, and then XML files within. You can see the default examples (on a Mac) inside the Application bundle /Applications/Dorico 2.app/Contents/Resources/playback

Currently, I’ve create a Playback Template that allows you to select the ARIA Player as the default for new Dorico documents. However, it doesn’t load the relevant samples into the player, as I’ve no idea how you construct a vstsound URI for use with ARIA. (Or otherwise create a valid XML file for Dorico’s presets.)

I’m going to start a github project, if that’s of interest.

:smiley:

Unfortunately, Ben, you won’t be able to make ARIA load the sounds automatically, unless you can persuade it to do so by way of a MIDI program change message, which is how NotePerformer works. We would need access to a special vendor load command in order to make ARIA load sounds automatically, i.e. it’s not a part of the standard VST spec.