Extracting and saving parts

I have the case for example, where there is a 30 bars written cadenza for the soloist, with TS changes. For the instruments of the orchestra it’s a multi-bar rest of 30 bars, but Dorico is going to separate it at each TS change, which is correct, of course, but not practical for the rest of the orchestra.

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For this case you can have 30 bars rest for the whole score - except that you notate the soloists cadenza with local time signatures - which will only be visible for the soloist (and in the score of course).
Local Time Signatures:

  • To input a time signature only on the selected staves or staff on which the caret is active, Alt/Opt-click it in the Time Signatures (Meter) panel

You will find a couple of threads in this forum on how to notate a cadenza, also covering your use case.

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Thanks for the tip, but it still works better for me having separate parts from the full score.

If you have found a way that works for you and you can keep track of everything, it’s the best for you of course.
You will hopefully don’t mind other users making suggestions, because - even if they are not for you - they might help other forum visitors with similar use cases to choose between more than one possibilities.

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I made an example of this method, as an exercise for me. Thank you for the tip, @k_b
Even if OT (since is not a direct answer to the main topic, but of a discussed need) I post it, in case could be helpful for someone:

1 bar tutti rest with several bar solo cadenza.dorico (555.9 KB)

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I solved the problem for myself using a duplicated flow that would be used for the instruments needing the repeat in their layouts (and not the original flow), whilst that duplicated flow would be ignored by the instruments that do not have that repeat section. This is one of the elements that brought me into imagining what rhythmic compression could be.

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Thanks for all the inputs. It’s much more than I could ask for.
The way Dorico handles the Full Score together with the individual parts is wonderful and has many advantages, but for me, and especially because of the complexity of the project I’m doing, it’s much easier to have the individual parts in separate .dorico format, similar to the way Finale and Sibelius use “Extract Parts”.
I’m an orchestral musician and I like to create the individual parts as simple as possible, as I said before with the case of separations of the multibar rests due to the different TS, tempo changes also cause separations and these are often not necessary for the instrument that has the rests and can be fixed very easily in the individual part.
Also there is a bug in Dorico regarding the divisis, for example, if I start a div. a 3 in the cello section, and after three bars it changes to div. a 4, it may look fine in “Gallery View” but unfortunately in the “Page View” or if I open the individual celli part, if the two divs are on the same system, Dorico will not show the div. a 4, missing a voice. This can sometimes be fixed by changing the start of the divs which would be good for the individual part but maybe not for the Full Score.
As you can see, having the part separate from the Full Score has its advantages and disadvantages too, in this case it works for me to have them separated.
I hope this clarifies the situation.

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Good point. I wish that Properties / Text shown and Metronome mark shown would actually respect the Local / Global settings so these could be hidden locally in a part if needed. Honestly there should be a Layout Option for number of decimal places in a metronome mark too. The conductor and booth may need to see quarter = 120.00005 in order for the click track to be accurately set, but there’s no need for a player to see those decimal values. There’s also the issue of long tempo indications running out of room on a system. Some sort of local line break functionality would be great too.

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Yes! I agree.
The divs bug is really annoying, I have to double or triple check everything to see if I’m missing a voice. :roll_eyes:

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Toto, please elaborate on that.
Just to be sure it’s not user error, what is your exact procedure?

  1. You have one Violoncello section setup in Setup Mode.
  2. In Write Mode you insert a Divisi à 3 at some point in your score.
  3. At a later place (it’s still Divisi à 3) you change to Divisi à 4.
  4. (This is the point where a mistake might happen). How exactly do you change to Divisi à 4, what are the steps, the clicks you are doing?

Just to compare (I tried to replicate your bug):

  1. In my Violoncello Section in bar 7 I right-click and Staff-Change Divisi
  2. In the following dialogue I select Section Player (small red box) and add two more (other red box)
  3. At bar 11 I again right-click and Staff-Change Divisi and add another Section player. Now I have a Divisi à 4
  4. This is how it looks in the Score (Galley View)
  5. And this is, how it looks in the Cello-Part:

    To me it looks perfectly fine. Which bug are you experiencing?

Yeah… :sweat_smile: Your example looks perfectly fine because just when the div. a 4 starts, your system breaks.
Look at the example I give you below: I made a string section, two violins, violas and cellos, I start the piece with a div. a 3 of the second violins and after three bars I change it to a div. a 4. Look what happens. :wink:
Div-bug

In part 1 your Full Score shoes a divisi a 3 for the 2nd violins right from the beginning. In bar 4 you extend to divisi a 4.

Then, in part 2, just before switching to the Part Layout, you have divisi a 3 at bar 4.
The Part Layout at that point also shows divisi a 3.

That’s right. In Page View and in the Violin II part, the div. a 4 is not recognized. One voice is missing.
The only way to make it work is to do a system brake right when the div. a 4 starts.

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This is documented in the Manual.
Excerpt:

And is already well on the radar of the Team:

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Yes, it’s definitely a bug. It cannot be that, in the case I gave, I have to do a system brake after three bars to make the div. 4 appear. :worried:
I did not put it in a separate topic because I knew that this bug has already been documented.
EDIT:
Actually, it is not necessary to allow staves to appear/disappear mid-system. What is needed is for Dorico to give priority to the largest div., so in a case like the one I gave, the second violins start with four staves (the last one with rests over three bars) with the indication “div. a 3”, when the fourth voice appears, the indication “div. a 4” is added. That is a good way and any orchestral player understands it.
Of course, it should be done automatically.