Feature Request Direct monitoring multiple MR816's

I am definately late in this discussion. I’ve read all the postings, and forgive me for being a little thick-headed, but can anyone answer this question:

If I daisy chain two MR816’s over FW,
will I be able to direct monitor all 16 inputs by hooking up both MR#1 and MR#2 to an individual stereo input on a line mixer ?

( I take it I can sum all 8 inputs on a MR to one stereo output on the MR#1, pan monoral inputs to the centre of the field, and do the same with MR#2 ???)


Thanks,


Paul.

Paul,

If you ran the 1 and 2 outputs of each unit to a summing mixer yes you could achieve direct monitoring…

Unfortunately then within cubase you would have to set up a second stereo buss in cubase and then when you set inputs from the second unit to chanels you would have to manually set the outputs to the second stereo bus…

A complete pain in the arse!!!

Steinberg wake up and talk to us and offer us something…

A full refund maybe!

GEt your expert software and hardware developers to re write the code to make this work…

DO SOME WORK FOR YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS!!!

Greg

I am a MR owner and have browsed this forum for years. never posted. probably not gonna be a popular poster around here…

But i have to say, (some) of you guys are ridiculous with your posts demanding Steinberg fix your problems. Taunting and jabbing. Do you think they will respond to your childish comments?

Listen, I am mad about the DM issue as well, but until something gets done, there are workarounds.

False advertising, yep. But, yelling at them wont make them move any faster. really. What year is this? and when did you buy your MR? see what i mean?

If you cant deal with it, sell your MR and move on. maybe even uphold your own personal boycott of the company, wage a campaign against all things Steinberg, whatever helps you sleep at nite.

DM is an easy thing to accomplish. For very little dinero you can get a small analog mixer and do what this box cannot. it cant always be about money right? You feel lied to, and i get it, but again, use a workaround or sell the MR(s), get something that fits your workflow and keeps you moving.

I am a pro, so i understand that everything you use needs to work, when it needs to work, etc. But, its been long enough with this gripe, and if this box is not working for you, move on.

Greg, thanks for your answer.
I am however not sure if I understand what you’re saying above.
Could you please rephrase this ?
(I’m not a native English speaker, so that doesn’t help either …)


Paul.

New work around for me. Only because I happened to be working off an analog soundboard that happens to have enough aux to headphone inputs and I am able to route the 2nd MRs outputs to them so I can just push a button to have either 1-8 or 9-16 0r both 1-16 and that I am now satisfied with my 2 MR816s setup. I can now enable Direct Monitoring on both units’ Hooray! :smiley:
I am not using the ADAT or SPDIF cable solution Steinberg was steering me toward. That was DUMB and just didn’t work! :angry:

I still think everyone was misled by Steinberg’s choice of advertising and the only thing that bugs me and I think everyone is that Steinberg never owned up to their mistake.

An apology is in order Steinberg.

Anyways. That being said. I love the sound of my MRs and the quick connect is awesome. Though too many times I have to reboot the devices or Cubase to get a channel working again that is malfunctioning. I’m hoping that will be addressed in software upgrades at some point. How long will Steinberg support these devices and continue to make updates? Only time will tell.

I am hoping that they can continue to show Pro Tools which DAW is superior and maybe someday enough engineers will leave Pro Tools. I am not sure everyone has heard that the 192 device will possible not work with Pro Tools beyond ver 10.0 Too bad for those big dollar spenders that can’t afford to buy more hardware.

Maybe Cubase can start working on a RAM dump like PT 10 HD has available now. Where you can dump your entire project into RAM and work off of it there. No hardware speed limitations now at all.

Anyways. Merry Christmas to All!!!

BUMP! :imp: :imp: :imp: :imp: :imp: :imp:

I have officially GIVEN UP!!!

by Norbury Brook » 12 Dec 2011 20:12

Steinberg/Yamaha are now aware of this shortcoming(slave not following sample rate) and are working on solution.

Well any news on this one ? its been more then 2 months now.

Going to keep bumping till they do something!
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Do what I did… Find another interface - I selected the Universal Audio Apollo Quad.

Bump

This needs to be fixed.

Dear MR816 customers,

Based on our comprehensive investigation into the matter we have come to the final conclusion that implementing True Integrated Monitoring functionality in conjunction with daisy-chaining multiple MR816 units is technically not possible. We do understand the wish for this particular addition, although the combination of these two features was never advertised explicitly. Since customer satisfaction is key here at Steinberg we have been looking into this matter intently, trying to find a way to implement this request. However, due to the MR’s system design this approach cannot be achieved merely through a firmware update.

Of course the MR816 audio interfaces continue to be supported, and we will regularly release updates, as we did in the past, to assure functionality of the MR interfaces with upcoming OS releases.

We are very sorry that it’s taken so long to come to this conclusion. Rest assured that we have been spending much time, effort and energy on trying to realize your wish. We appreciate your invaluable feedback and input, which will help us to create products even closer to your needs.

Best regards,
Stefan Schreiber

It has to be possible if you go back to an mLan system…

The N8 and N12 originally supported mLan until they were reflashed for the new driver system is that not true?

Other option is a pcix card that is designed specifically for the MR816 units to allow this to happen…

And in regards to it being explicitly advertised I was led to believe by your advertsiing and by questioning representatives of the product that it would EXPLICITLY perfectly replace my mLan system and the way I had it set up!

I respect you have worked hard but I do not accept your response as valid.

I believe that you have misled us through your advertising… If you did not agree then you would not have changed your advertising after the finding of the design fault.

You are still not offering us a solution therefore we will still not be satisfied…

How will you compensate us for your false advertising?

Greg

" due to the MR’s system design this approach cannot be achieved merely through a firmware update."

So do a firware and driver redevelopment update!

or as I stated previously design a specific interface card and do a firmware update…

Or offer us a complete and full refund for our product that we can not use in the way we were led to believe we could.

Greg

Steinberg/Yamaha, please please reinstate mLAN - to the MR816X / CSR / N8 /N12

I was originally happy using mLAN on the N12 under XP and only updated to the Y/S driver when moved across to Windows 7 OS. Surely therefore we can have the option of reverting back e.g. flash the firewire firmware back back to work with an updated mLAN driver. I will be willing to pay for this update and appreciate that some of the cubase options may need to be adjusted/tweaked using a graphic patchbay application rather than simple push button on the hardware/cubase recognises. -Studio Connections can be used for saving hardware connections / cubase.

I simply do not understand why you do not do this - if you think about it, this will not only end up resolving the multiple MR monitoring issue but also helping the older mLAN community that still have fully functioning Yamaha hardware that simply needs a mLAN driver update to the latest OS?

Can someone therefore officially state why this is not possible - as N8/12 did have mLAN originally under XP OS?

What a bloody disaster!

I think it not unreasonable to expect that some form of compensation (either financial or with software) should be made available to the many people who put their faith in the MR816 as a professional piece of kit - as a public relations operation, if nothing else.

I originally invested in 6 ( yes - SIX!) of these things, but when it became apparent that they could not be made to work effectively in the manner I was led to believe, I sold four of them - losing a lot of money along the way.

The remaining two are currently connected via ADAT to an RME Fireface UFX (a system that works exactly as the MR’s should have worked), although I am so anti Steinberg hardware at the moment that I don’t think it will be long before I dump them as well.

Steinberg will never sell me another piece of hardware.

My Colleague was banned from these support forums by Ed Doll for demanding an answer on this.

We’ve spent thousands on multiple units.

Is this how you treat your customers?

He’s still denied support access although owning almost all steinberg software and 4 interfaces plus other gear.

Totally unacceptable.

Perhaps they are going to release the fix in a driver after they discontinue them like the midex. So, till Windows 10, I bid you adieu. :confused:

If it makes a difference:

I had my old Roland D50 retrofitted with a M-EX expander to make it multitimbral. Worked like a dream, but it was a circuit board that had to be put in place by a qualified repairman, which may be true or not, but that’s not important.
It was a true hardware update. Now the space available in a flat MR816 won’t allow for playing tennis maybe, but on the other hand circuits nowadays are smaller as well, so what about a little MR expander from the fine hardware makers at yamaha?