Feature request- two vsti triggered by one stave

Dorico
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Hi there. I would love to be able to trigger more vsti with their own expression map by a single stave. I like to mix sample Modeling strings with swam strings and sometimes a solo string mixed in. Or SWAM with Vienna SE. For now I write for one instrument and copy paste it to staves with the other instruments and their expression maps. But then I have to make every change multiple times.

Workarounds like using hosts as Vienna Ensemble don’t really work, because of the very different expression maps of the instruments.

I don’t know if this is possible or if it is of any interest to more people. To me it would be great.:blush:

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You can use independent voice routing to achieve this (but you do need to keep track of voices, so using voice colours helps)

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I think, what Major81 has in mind, is layering of VSTs, which can not be achieved through independent voice routing - unless you double/triple/quadruple the first voice and hide the surplus voices, which could be a bit cumbersome albeit possible.

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You can add an extra staff, duplicate the material onto it, then remove the staff.

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You can do that, but once you have done it it’s not going to make changes to the music much easier. It’s better to hide the new staff, because then you can get it back for edits. If you delete it, you may not be able to restore it in Play mode. All changes will still have to be made in multiple voices, though.

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what would be most useful, I think, is if it were possible to switch libraries within Expression Maps so that articulations which are missing or perhaps rather weak in one could be simply switched to a different library in a custom EM. Obviously that might require the ability to switch VST’s within an EM and I’m not sure how technically difficult this might be to implement.

This is one of the main reasons why people might still want to use a DAW for mock-ups as everything can easily be laid out on a track basis rather than instrument basis as is largely necessary with notation software.

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You can do this if you use VEP by switching MIDI channel.

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yes, of course the channel change facility within the EM makes this already possible if you use VEP in particular but I was looking for an integrated solution.

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Thanks for your mail. I’m aware of that option and I use it already. But my request is just playback related. Just for sound I want to layer more instruments and not have to copy and paste the notes I’ve written.

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Unify by Pluginguru does just this as single VST. In it you can layer multiple VST‘s.

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There are many plugins that allow to layer Instruments. But can it use different expression maps? For example I have set one Instruemt like this:

cc11 = expression
cc2=Vibrato-rate
cc1 = vibrato
Velocity 120–127 = staccato

And the other Instrument
cc 2 = expression
cc11= volume
other articulations via Key switch.

When I layer those in one instance, the XM would not work. So I have the workaround, as @Janus suggested. And it works great. But it remains a workaround, that becomes unhandy, when you make changes, because you have to make the changes multiple times.

Or is there a way to tell dorico to input in both staves in independent voice-routing as default?

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I don’t think you can use multiple XM on one stave :slight_smile:

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I believe the feature request is to change that. Whether the Dorico Team considers that more appropriate for a DAW than for Dorico is something they will ultimately decide.

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That’s why it is a request. Since it’s common to layer Instruments in mockups, it might be something other users would appreciate, too.