Fingering request !?

I would like to be able to write piano and guitar fingers with question and/or exclamation marks: 4! or 3? or 2!?

I’ve not come across that notation before, Steve. What does it mean?

You’ll obviously need to use Shift+X text items for this kind of idiosyncratic notation, probably for the foreseeable future.

I’ve been using the popover for the fingering and adding the other marks with shift-x.
I’d use ‘4!’ when, for example, ‘3’ might be more obvious, but ‘4’ is much better.
‘3?’ is a suggestion.
‘2!?’ means ‘surprising but good’.

I’ve used these for so long I’m not sure where I picked them up first. I do remember them in an edition of Chopin, which I’ll try to find. They convey quite useful information succinctly.

Is there a way to move to the next beat without leaving the popover?

Unfortunately not. That’s why I suggested „fingering input mode“ as a possible improvement for the future in another thread.

It would certainly speed things up if it worked like the lyrics popover.

Yes, though it could only work in such a way under very limited circumstances, since it would have to make assumptions about which note(s) should be selected.

Are there problems still if it moves rhythmic position rather than note by note? That would still work for input such as 1,3,5.

Actually, I would love to see an option to put a circle around fingering numbers to indicate special changes:

Those circles do not indicate special changes in fingering, but rather string changes in guitar notation. Perhaps you’ll be able to employ them in piano music as well, once guitar fingering is implemented, but it wouldn’t be exactly standard practice.

Reminds me of chess notation, and I think it is pretty obvious what the ! and ? mean, and clever.

Circled fingerings are apparently reasonably often used in accordion music, at least according to fellow forumite Uwe Mahnken, and the next version of Dorico will allow you to circle fingerings and also underline them (another convention used in accordion music), plus there will be some other changes to allow different appearances and positioning options for cautionary fingerings.

Great to hear that, Daniel!
By the way: We’re eagerly awaiting the next work-in-progress insight on the Making Notes blog. :slight_smile:

… do not put pressure onto anyone, please

It’s really true, just downloaded the new Dorico version 2 and circled fingerings are now possible. Many thanks to Daniel and the team!

where do I find the circled und underlined fingerings?

Select the fingering in Engrave Mode and use Properties/Decoration.

Thank you for your answer. I hoped to find a quicker access in the Write mode such as a combination 2 keys…