# Flat doesn't look right **URL:** \ **Category:** Dorico\ **Tags:** dorico-5\ **Created:** [March 14, 2024, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255 "2024-03-14T10:44:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/1 "2024-03-14T10:44:06Z")
Clarinets in B-flat don’t display the actual flat correctly. Also clarinet 1 and 2 display the transposition differently, even though I have clicked “reset to default” on both player and layout. In clarinet 2 the flat itself is good, but there is a big space both before and after the flat. Clarinet 1 displays with ordinary letters, no special flat sign. Clarinet 3 behaves like clarinet 2. ![Skärmavbild 2024-03-14 kl. 11.42.29](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/d/e/deb9efedf835ededaabe2518489667197619f630.png) ![Skärmavbild 2024-03-14 kl. 11.42.40](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/9/7/97a2f7653e13b1d3f25dda48ac30975b90e31233.png) ![Skärmavbild 2024-03-14 kl. 11.43.01](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/d/6/d6e549acfd04406af18093810bbab3c78d9a3143.png) ![Skärmavbild 2024-03-14 kl. 11.43.09](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/7/c/7c1729ddb0ea8817f6856c3931b7a1f9eb22388d.png) How to solve this? ---
**Author:** ![FredGUnn](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/fredgunn/32/92088_2.png) [@FredGUnn](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/FredGUnn)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/2 "2024-03-14T13:10:34Z")
For Clarinet 1, you just have a `Bb` there, not a token for a flat, so you are just getting the letter `b`. For Clarinet 2, you have the token correct, but I think it is using the unicode flat that’s in your text font (U+266D maybe?) and not the flat from your Character Styles / Music Text setting. I’m not sure why, but definitely double-check what font you have specified there. With the correct Character Style specified, and the correct token, they seem to work fine for me, regardless of placement: ![1](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/a/c/acf71daa0a44175a577de6e0a1a8dcf668d89b84.png) ![2](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/c/5/c59c8a8e14b390c906fc132331336445bd0eeb3e.png) ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/3 "2024-03-14T15:26:16Z")
Thank you, in the layout on the default and first page I use Garamond. Is that what you mean? Or do you mean another font selection somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![FredGUnn](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/fredgunn/32/92088_2.png) [@FredGUnn](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/FredGUnn)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/4 "2024-03-14T15:31:27Z")
The token should use the flat glyph from your Character Styles / Music Text setting. What font do you have selected there? Bravura Text? Something else? ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/5 "2024-03-14T15:33:34Z")
It says Bravura Text, Regular ---
**Author:** ![FredGUnn](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/fredgunn/32/92088_2.png) [@FredGUnn](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/FredGUnn)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/6 "2024-03-14T15:52:40Z")
Hmm, sorry, I’m not sure why the token isn’t working then. I just tried again and it seems to work fine for me. Maybe try re-typing it in? The flat showing in your image is definitely not from Bravura Text, so something is going awry at some stage of input. ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/7 "2024-03-15T07:52:55Z")
Thanks for your help. I have also reset instrument names, player name and layout name, but it does not solve my problem. Strange! Does anyone else have any idea what could be wrong? ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/8 "2024-03-15T08:10:14Z")
The only efficient way to resolve the problem is to attach the project itself here so we can take a look at it. You can make a copy and cut it down if you’re worried about sharing the music itself. > [@Four simple guidelines to help us help you](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/four-simple-guidelines-to-help-us-help-you/123752): > > We are proud to say that the Dorico forum is friendly, supportive and constructive, and it’s our aim to keep it that way. Members of the Dorico development and support teams closely monitor the forum, and this is the place you can have a direct conversation with the people responsible for designing and building the application. The forum is also frequented by many expert users of the software, who generously give of their time to offer assistance to their fellow users. In order to keep the discu… ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/9 "2024-03-15T08:13:06Z")
Thank you, will do right away. Good suggestion to cut it down. ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/10 "2024-03-15T08:23:15Z")
Here is a severely cut down version of the score, which as a result looks very rough, but I don’t think that affects my issue. [Test to solve clarinet name layout.dorico](https://forums.steinberg.net/uploads/short-url/zJbDrBrWNubmPAZ1tNAd8GJT0t7.dorico) (1.6 MB) The issue that bothers me is that the flat in the clarinet layouts/parts does not look right. Also, on the first page of the full score clarinet 3 does not look right. Thanks in advance to anyone who makes an effort to try and solve this. ---
**Author:** ![pianoleo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pianoleo/32/1609_2.png) [@pianoleo](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/pianoleo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/11 "2024-03-15T10:15:10Z")
OK - I’ve got it, and I’m really pleased I have as it’s been bugging me in a project that I’m currently working on, too. The weird unicode flat you’re seeing is a consequence of how you’ve set up (or someone else has set up, as in my case) your Page Templates. Rather than going to Library \> Paragraph Styles and setting the Layout Name Paragraph Style to use the Garamond font, you (or whoever) have gone to the Page Template Editor, highlighted the {@layoutname@} token and manually overridden it to use Garamond. The result is that the whole token, including the flat symbol, is rendered in Garamond. Garamond doesn’t have flats or sharps of its own, so you’re seeing the fallback ones provided by the operating system (I’m not sure I fully understand this so I’m not going to attempt to explain further). The fix, therefore, is to set the Layout Name Paragraph Style to the correct font from Library \> Paragraph Styles, then to go through the Page Templates, select the relevant text and confirm the Paragraph Style (thus removing the overrides). ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/12 "2024-03-15T10:21:39Z")
Thank you so much, what would be the correct font for me to select? ---
**Author:** ![pianoleo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pianoleo/32/1609_2.png) [@pianoleo](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/pianoleo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/13 "2024-03-15T10:22:56Z")
There’s no problem with using Garamond. It’s just a case of _where_ you set it. Don’t do it from within the Page Templates Editor. Do it from Library \> Paragraph Styles. Then in the Page Templates Editor, select the layout name token wherever it appears, and select the Paragraph Style again from the text toolbar (and don’t set anything else there). ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/14 "2024-03-15T11:54:57Z")
Thanks a lot! I had messed this up for myself, obviously. Now I got it working for the parts. But clarinet 3 still displays incorrectly on the first page of the full score. Do you understand why that is? What have I missed? ---
**Author:** ![dan\_kreider](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dan_kreider/32/254871_2.png) [@dan\_kreider](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dan_kreider)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/15 "2024-03-15T11:59:38Z")
Do you have a page override on that page? Little red triangle on the pages panel on the right. If so, right click and remove the override. ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/16 "2024-03-15T12:38:44Z")
I don’t on that page, I do on several others. ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/17 "2024-03-15T12:45:17Z")
I attempted removing all page overrides, it did not solve the problem. ---
**Author:** ![pianoleo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pianoleo/32/1609_2.png) [@pianoleo](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/pianoleo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/18 "2024-03-15T13:04:21Z")
If you’re talking about the instrumentation page, that block of text appears to be using the Default Text Paragraph Style, but again, you’ve not set the Paragraph Style itself to use Garamond; you’ve just overridden the individual text so that it uses Garamond. The fix is exactly the same: in Library \> Paragraph Styles, set the Default Text Paragraph Style to use Garamond. On the individual page, set the instrumentation text to use the Default Text Paragraph Style. Do not touch anything else in the text editing toolbar. ---
**Author:** ![johan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6f9a4e/32.png) [@johan1](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/johan1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/19 "2024-03-15T13:09:33Z")
Thank you, you just answered a question I had not even realised I needed to ask! What I was after is way “Bass Clarinet & Clarinet Bb 3” is displayed on the first page of the score. It shows the token. How make this right? ![Skärmavbild 2024-03-15 kl. 14.09.19](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/3X/6/7/675334575803bf94898f24a45ae8dbd1a8128039.png) ---
**Author:** ![pianoleo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pianoleo/32/1609_2.png) [@pianoleo](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/pianoleo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255/20 "2024-03-15T13:50:53Z")
Ah. The Player Name option seems to be one place where Music Symbols haven’t been hooked up. If you’re using a font for Staff Labels that doesn’t have nice flats I’m not sure there’s a good way around this at present. [Next page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/flat-doesnt-look-right/903255.md?page=2)