I’m new here on the forum, but I’ve been a dedicated user of Dorico for years and know my way around the program decently well, but for the life of me I can’t figure out an elegant way to do what I’m looking for. Apologies in advance if this has been asked before, but I’ve had trouble searching for it in the forum history.
I am currently trying to typeset some selections from Paul DeVille’s old Universal Method for Saxophone, as my personal copy is literally tearing itself apart after so many years of use. In some of the exercise sections, the engraver at Carl Fischer uses exercise numbers wedged into the initial indent of each exercise, like so:
I’d like to be able to replicate this effect (although maybe with more modest fonts). Now, in my mind, the semantically clean way to be able to do this sort of thing would be using flows, titling the different flows after each exercise number and positioning them in the system indent. As far as I’m aware, Dorico has no option for this, but is there some way to make it work beyond just manually positioning bespoke system text for every exercise?
Less important but still relevant - As far as any titles and subtitles for the page go, these elements are rare enough compared to the exercises that I’d be willing to chug through making some master pages to make those look nice in exchange for using flows to name and number the individual exercises. That said, I think that there might be some benefit for some feature like “flow groups”, where each group can have its own metadata such as titles, subtitles, composers, etc., in the same way that individual flows can currently have separate metadata from the whole project. I realize that at that point there’s the legitimate question of “why not just use separate files”, and fair enough. But it seems like a compelling idea, given how keen Dorico is on templating, semantics, and metadata in general.
here my workflow proposal for this: no manual adjusting of staff numbering (staff labels) or exercise titles (flow titles), all global :-).
Generally is one exercise=1 player=1 flow.
You can see what I have done, and if you have questions, please ask. :
This will most likely work for my purposes! It makes things a bit more awkward for other sections of the book that don’t have these indents, but I’m sure I can figure out a way to make that work! Although it is gnawing at me that this sort of cross-pollution between players and what are technically sectional subheadings is what currently has to happen in order to achieve this effect - a native solution would be nice.
Hi @Roger_Turner1, that workflow was a suggestion for a particular scenario (series of numbered exercises for one instrument, with possibly several chapters, using one instrument duplicated, with numbers as staff labels, and the various single duplicates assigned to specific single flows etc… ).
From your screenshot I see that you also have only one instrument. Will it stay like that (maybe you are recreating only the horn part for your convenience…) or are you planning to add more Instruments/Players? In the latter case it would be a nightmare to use this method
There are several other ways to put the numbers for the various sections. If you upload your file with a description of what you are trying to obtain (maybe also with a screenshot of a published example?), I am sure someone will give good advices.
(Or I can try to apply that suggest method to your Project, if is only one instrument and one Walz, and give you the steps)
Yes, it is for one instrument only. We are missing the 2nd horn part of the Blue Danube. I have attached a photo of the first horn part. That is the way I would like to format the 2nd part. I have also attached my Dorico project for the 2nd horn part. Thanks for any help. I appreciate it.
Hi @Roger_Turner1,
I worked a little on your horn 2 part. I made it with two methods:
method 1 is the method using numbered player (1 player per flow),
method 2 is more straightforward (I suggest this for this case), and uses Rehersal marks positioned all at once in the right position.
In method 1 I added all projects infos, and other things, in method 2 I only applied the reversal marks, and adjusted the page margins and global note spacing. You may want to add the remaining info yourself.
Method 1
I have now applied the method above, for your Horn2 part. Please see and use the Horn2 part, not the full score.
I added the Project infos as in your screenshot, edited the parts First page template (there is an Other Info token, that you can fill with the AE-18 code in project Infos - didn’t know if this is relevant).
You may want to check the repeatings markers and jumps (I found some duplicates that I deleted, but you can adjust them as in the original score). Basically I broke down the flows assigning each flow to a duplicate horn, renamed strategically them etc…
Now you can use your file, that works. There are other more straight worth method, but I made this as an exercise, and you can use the result
Please use the Horn2 part, not the full score:
Christian, thank you for your work! It is just what I need. Now I just need to figure out how to do it myself. I will look more in depth at what you did.
I would love to pay you for your time. How can I do that?
Hi @Roger_Turner1, it is being a good exercise for me to adjust your 2nd Horn layout, so no worries
I worked a little on the rehearsal marks version, and give you the Dorico file (please see and use the 2nd Horn in F layout). I made it on three pages.:
(If you use the Library manager, you can compare this with your original file, o see all the global options that I changed…)
(I made also video explaining the steps in detail, but it is too long to post here, I will send you a We Transfer link in a message, so you can see how I did all, even if explained a little roughly )
) in Dorico.
