Force duration again

Another thing that annoys me about Dorico is its tendency to correct the rhythm you type.
I’ve explored the forum from every angle, and I realise that this correction, which is comparable to that of the worst smartphone, tends to drive quite a few members of the community crazy.
Is there a way to ask Dorico to mind his own business and let us capture the rhythmic value we want ?
For example, this extract from Mozart’s K.452. Mozart wrote an eighth note on C, and NBA Bärenreiter does the same (capture in Finale).

But Dorico decides that it will be two tied sixteenths. Nonsense!

And that’s even with Force Duration activated and the option settings below (Notation options)

When will Dorico behave like a true musician, and not a beginner in a first year of Solfège ? :-1:
Have I forgotten any settings other than those shown here ?

Force Duration doesn’t work after the fact.

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I’m not able to reproduce this. With Force Duration on and the settings you indicate, I get the expected eight note.

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How to correct after the fact:

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Edit: better demo, thanks @benwiggy !

Isn’t it amazing how the forum answers fast …? :sunglasses:

You don’t even need to delete the original tied note.

Select the Tied Note.
Press O
Press a note duration smaller than the length of the tied note, e.g. 4.
Press the note duration you want, e.g. 5.

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Why does Dorico behave like this? Because it is NOT measure based, which allows all sorts of things :

shift phrase

Instructive:
shift note

Even more instructive:

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Ja, nicht wahr?
Echte Kinder … (liebenswerte natürlich)

children??
I just wanted to express that we answer in spite of constant Dorico bashing…

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« Press O » = Force duration, isn’t it ?

Doesn’t work for me. :worried:

That’s not denigration. But knowing how to recognise the weaknesses of a product that is, after all, just a software, is a good thing for mind. The opposite is indoctrination.
And I refuse to see that on this forum. :wink:

Calling the helpful members of the forum “cute children” is at least strange …

As to your problem: we’ve demonstrated in text and animation what to do, it works every time, so maybe you were impatient and left something out?

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This is an extremely strange question, @ObiwanKenobi. I’ll ask a correlated one: When will MicroSoft Word behave like a true author?

As for characterizing (if I understand you correctly) Dorico users who don’t have an aversion to pressing O to get the notational results they want as children who cannot see they’ve been indoctrinated, that strikes me as uncharitable at best. And I hope we all refuse to see that on this forum.

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It is … something to learn in the first one or two hours of learning the program …

3 min 11 sec of your lifetime, probably well spent

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I only want to discuss on this forum with reasonable people for whom admitting a few small flaws in their favourite software is not insurmountable.
Software is just software. A commercial product, and that’s all.
We’re not defending humanitarian objectives here, are we ? :wink:

Nevertheless, you haven’t told me whether the settings I’ve made in the notation options are relevant or not, and whether there are others I might have forgotten.

The Notation Options should be irrelevant if you have Force Duration on when you are inputting notes.

Wink emojis don’t make up for downright rudeness, @ObiwanKenobi. I hope we can expect you to be a more respectful member of the forum going forward. You would benefit from not squandering the good will that your fellow users bring here.

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I’m beginning to regret spending about half an hour of my lifetime, creating videos and background info for the question at hand, searching out links, thinking, reformulating, just to get told that it is just nonsense what we do … I’m out of this thread.

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