Forced Duration question help - revisited

Consider this measure no. 7 (treble clef) from Chopin Ocean Etude - how to notate in Dorico? - the voice with quarter notes (C, B-, A) turns the ‘A’ into a tied dotted eighth note. Is there a workaround - have tried changing Force Duration and Notation options but have not found a way so far. thanks

For the last A in downstem voice, you can enter the quarter in a 4:3x tuplet.

I couldn’t get the 4:3 tuples solution to work, but I did get something pretty close by simply using a vertical line on the A. Placing it in position and making it slightly shorter or longer is very easy in Engrave view.

I’d still recommend the tuplet method — it will be much more stable than a line (and especially since this rhythm occurs many times in the Étude, if I remember correctly!).

In case it helps, here is how I did it (don’t pay attention to my custom shortcut for opening the tuplet popover)

Very helpful thank you!! Not sure why tuplets would be necessary and wish I could get a better understanding of it, but for now - that works. Yes, pattern occurs so many times in the score - hoping I will be able to create one and then paste the rest along the way. Wish this was more intuitive., thanks again for your help.

There was a (now extinct) notation soFtware not long ago, in which you just clicked on the note and with one click on an icon a second stem simply appeared on the note.

I’d love to see a simple solution such as this on Dorico.

Because the notation of the original is technically incorrect, but can be faithfully reproduced using a 4:3x tuplet, which will allow a crotchet to fit in the space of 3 semiquavers.

Is this perhaps because Dorico is trying to make the notation as ‘playable’ as possible? If so, is there an override/mode to enter notes in a more free-form fashion? I am using the Pro version.

Dorico is quite strict on the semantics of notation, so no, there is no free-form override. The use of the tuplet is correct.

(If this occurs in other bars, you could simply copy the one bar and re-pitch using lock duration (L) if it is too bothersome to recreate the tuplet)

Precisely what I’m doing - thanks for the confirmation - only 50 or so measure to go.. :slight_smile:

I can only see it being needed in four bars.

I mean to complete the whole thing, not that it occurs in every measure - all good, thanks