FR: hide fermatas & caesuras

Since learning that you can apply individual duration & gap values to fermatas & caesuras for playback, it has become my preferred method for introducing natural pauses and extensions over certain phrases, in a way that a real player or ensemble would do in reality, regardless of a marking.

For example a caesura of with a gap of 8-15% can be nearly imperceptible as what one might call a “caesura,” but it makes a huge different in realistic playback for me. I find this method to be much easier than diving into the tempo automation view, as well as allowing me to stay in my musical zone with the score view.

In cases like this where they aren’t needed for the printed score (playback only), I would like to be able to hide them in the bottom inspector panel.

For now I discovered I can select “color” in the bottom panel and set the opacity to 0%. The only downside here is they will not appear as “hidden” in signposts, which can lead to confusion down the line.

Thank you!

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Hi @Wing. There is a button on Holds and Pauses. There you can select Max fermatas per staff "

Hi, unfortunately that is unrelated to my request, which is about entirely hiding them from view (in order to use them for playback purposes only), just as you can hide other elements in the program.

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I see… If I find something relevant I will let you know.

In the lower panel you can set Custom Scale to 1%.

::: Bill

Hi Bill, I’m aware. I find 0% opacity to be my preferred workaround and it works fine for now. To be clear I’m not in search of a workaround - my feature request is to have a “hide” toggle switch added by the devs as many elements do have. The primary reason is because whether you prefer 0% opacity as I do or 1% scale, they will not be visible in signposts for reference once deselected. Broadly speaking I have been long campaigning for all elements to have the hide toggle switch added, which I would love to see in a future version.

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Good idea. Or a way to “show in score but not in printout”.

::: Bill

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Isn’t the key editor what you need here? Shorten the length of the note (–> Caesura) and changing the time (–> fermata) with much more granular control.

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What you’re talking about sounds more like shaping a rubato phrase, which was not my intent (however, when I do shape a rubato style phrase of a soloist against the orchestra, I do use the key editor).

I’m referring to anything from a small ensemble to the full orchestra, just giving a bit of tempo automation without leaving score view, thinking with musical devices rather than drawing automation which is my preference. But if I were to leave the score view, I would definitely use tempo automation to achieve this goal, and not the key editor (since that would require adjusting the notes of every single player and you wouldn’t actually get the tempo to slow down in total).

It’s really just a long-winded way of saying - I’d like the option to hide elements from the score view, i.e.:

You can open the key editor in write mode in the lower zone.

I’m aware. I use it in the bottom panel often as well for CC automation. But nevertheless, I wouldn’t do a full orchestral fermata using the key editor.

I’m probably not very clear on this but the feature request isn’t how to do a workaround, the request is to hide the selected element in question.

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You are, though. The thread title has FR in it. For some, having an answer takes precedence over reading the post.

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I just wanted to make sure, because you can edit the key editor and keep the score open.
The team is reading all the posts, therefore you can rest assured, that they have read your request.

Yep, I know, I use it often in the bottom panel for CC automation especially, but also occasionally cheating the timing of a phrase. I just wouldn’t really use the key editor for fermatas, personally. But either way thank you.

It’s funny this post was originally from Oct ‘24 – I’m not stressin’ about it though, I figure the team read it and added it somewhere to the massive request pile lol. Just surprised of the sudden responses.

When someone replies to a message, the topic goes back to the top of the pile. :slight_smile:

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Exactly. Right click - hide. (Goes gray on monitor in edit modes, does not show in print mode.)

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