I am trying to figure out - it is moving a system to the next page and can’t seem to figure out why or how to move it back. No Frame Break shows up -
How can I get these to line up evenly. Any way to select all Staves at once?
I added Text as lyrical cues for each verse in system attached text - it changed the spacing I had. Is there another way to add text that will show up on all staves and work better with spacing?
Thanks in advance.
It looks a lot like you’ve manually moved staves in the hope that other staves will move across to fill the gap. This isn’t how Dorico works. It uses the heights of each stave plus the gaps defined in Layout Options > Vertical Spacing to determine how full each page is, then fills accordingly.
If you don’t like the number of staves on a page in general, the solution is to change the Vertical Spacing gaps, reducing the inter system gap and/or reducing the minimum gaps between systems for collision avoidance.
If you still don’t like the results, feel free to put a Frame Break at the start, another Frame Break where you want the next page to start, then select the first Frame Break and set its Wait for Next Frame Break property in the bottom panel. (The Make Into Frame button in the left panel does the same thing more automatically; note that in order to use it you need to select the thing you want to start the first frame, then Cmd/Ctrl-click the thing you want to start the next frame, then click the button).
Hi @wayneledbetter , beyond the already written useful suggestions and notices, be aware that the First page template has a Copyright text frame on the bottom (even if it seems that you didn’t put any copyright information in the Project infos) and has a little shorter Music frame (to accommodate the Copyright text frame). Your system starting at bar 33 has several vertical elects that need space: rehearsal mark, Chord symbols, Text. Dorico calculate that there is not enough space to accomodate that system in the first page (frame) and pits it in the following page (frame).
(If you don’t need the Copyright in your project, you could for example edit the First page template in engrave mode, delete the lower green Text frame, and expand the blue Music frame till the bottom of the page margin.)
I suggest you this very useful video by @John_at_Steinberg (John Barron), and other videos as well to better undertsand the layout power and functionalities of Dorico:
Thanks - but already figured that one out . . . 6 hours until I found out that the 1st page is always the “right” page
I am trying to play with the different settings.
I am trying to maximize the space - This is what it was when I reset spacing:
In some other ones - a “frame break” shows up on the next page that I was able to delete - but it does not show up here.
When I tried moving the bar before C to the previous system - they all moved to the next page - with more space than I would like:
Here are screen shots of the settings:
In your first screenshot I can see in the bottom left corner that Dorico considers the page to be overfilled vertically: I can’t see the percentage value but it’s highlighted red so it’s over 100%. You could try lowering the inter-system gap to 6 spaces, for instance.
Looking at the right edge of some of the systems, some percentages there also show as overly full, meaning that by cramming more bars onto each system manually you’re somewhat fighting the rules. For that it might make sense to reduce the top value in Layout Options > Note Spacing - the default space given to a quarter note - from the default 4 spaces to maybe 3.5 spaces. The other thing that might help - though I don’t know how it’s currently set - is reducing the Space Size of the music (in Layout Optoons > Page Setup). We keys players do sit that bit closer to the music than many of our colleagues, after all.
Thanks Leo (my son’s name by the way). I tried changing the spacing to 6 - seemed to help.
There were some issues with adding text that moved some rehearsal letters - I moved the text and the rehearsal letter did not move back. I think some of those were creating larger gaps than I wanted. Changing the Spacing between staves seemed to help, but it’s not consistent.
I appreciate your help - slowly getting comfortable after working with Finale since 1995.
Wayne
