Can you show more of your screen. Such as what happens when you click on the note, and open the properties panel?
Robby
Sure â see screen grab attached. The A in voice on the bass cleff is selected (note the color changed from amaranth to orange). I should be able to end the voice immediately by clicking on the âEnds voiceâ button in the properties windows (see below).
However, when I click on Ends voice, nothing happens. Well, for half a second I see the selector shift to the right, and âImmediatelyâ light up, but I canât select anything. The button goes back dark.
The zipped Dorico file is posted above.
Try clicking on the half note in the previous measure and ending voice.
I see an awful lot of color. And to be quite honest, my eyes donât see the rests in the same color as the quarter note. Try the half note and see if that works. Those 2 look to be the same color to me.
Robby
Your zipped Dorico file is not recognized on my Mac. Can you zip it with the .zip extension?
Robby
Most likely, the 7z extension came from the proprietory program 7-zip.
The best option for files on a public forum is what is already Windows (and presumably in OSX as well). In Windows, right-click on the file and select âSend to > compressed (zipped) folderâ.
⌠unless installing 7-zip hijacked that option, of course 
Thanks for the feedback!
I attach the zipped complete Aria.
In addition to the formatting issues, thereâs another issue, quote from the FAQ:
âHow do I delete bars?
To delete any empty bars left over at the end of your current flow, simply choose Write > Trim Flow.â
That doesnât work either.
Goldberg Variations.zip (229 KB)
Iâd originally given up on the .7z extension but I tried renaming the file to .zip and it uncompressed fine. Interestingly, when I double-clicked the .7z file the next time, it also unzipped without a problem.
P.S. Now I donât even have to unzip it. The system already does this after downloading the file.
Peter, Iâm attaching your file with the last bars removed. It wasnât at all straightforward because there were empty rests and perhaps some other artefacts left in those last bars, i.e. they werenât empty at all. I did it by selecting them repeatedly and pressing delete. Gradually they reduced in number until the last bar was indeed at the end. Another partial way is to select the first rest after the last note and press Shift-B and then a minus sign plus the number of bars you wish to remove. This didnât work perfectly, either, and I had to use a combination of techniques. This should really be easier!
Goldberg Variations.dorico.zip (229 KB)
I hope you donât mind my adding a few remarks. For one thing, if you want the correct ornaments, youâll have to enter them as text, as I described earlier in this thread. I suppose that the number of zigzags in the inverted mordent is open to interpretation (the original has one more than what Dorico offers), but the ornament on the second beat of bar 3 is simply wrong and you canât enter it as an ornament because Dorico just doesnât offer it yet. Same with bars 11, 12, 17, etc. and especially 21 and 23. (Thereâs one missing in bar 5.) There are also a couple of appoggiaturas missing and the slurs still need to be entered. Iâd change the stem direction of the top voice in bar 7, second beat, the 3rd beat of bar 9 and the first beat of bar 27. The note at the end of the first beat and the appoggiatura in bar 19 second beat should be a d#, not a d. BTW, the problem with the rests in bar 10 might have to do with your having two overlapping rests on the same spot. I selected these rests and pressed delete, which didnât look as though it did anything, and then I was able to select the first a and choose Ends voice in the properties panel. And despite the modern ârulesâ about breaking the beams between single 8ths over the beat in ž time, Dorico will let you connect them, like in bars 11, 12, 20, 21, 23 and 27.
Nice work and very interesting thread !
Hereâs my attempt at this. Iâve included both the file and a screen shot if you just want to glance at it but donât want to download the Dorico document.
Iâve done a couple of things which are in the original and which arenât, technically speaking, completely correct, but the meaning is still obvious and they look less contrived. Fortunately Dorico does provide for them, like the dotted 4ths and 8ths in the last two systems in the second voice which share noteheads with the upper voice, as well as beaming groups of three 8ths.
Besides having to enter the ornaments as text (new paragraph style called Ornaments, using the Bravura font), there are still two things which bother me, though. One is the strange grace note spacing in bars 14, 20 and 23, and the other is the fact that Dorico insists on secondary beam breaks back to the 8th beam in bars 4, 7, 21,22 and 26. I was able to change the one in bar 17, but only to the 16th. I was told that Dorico does this âcorrectlyâ so, at the moment, we canât notate this the way Bach (and all his copyists and all the editions since) did it. There are still some horizontal spacing issues Iâd tweak, like the distance between the third and fourth 8th notes (2nd beat) in bars 8, 11, 12, 18, 19 and 20, or that the first beat of bar 17 takes up too much space, but the ability to alter this will be implemented in one of the coming updates.
Goldberg aria.dorico.zip (138 KB)
Regarding the grace note spacing in bars 14, 20, and 23, the reason the grace note ends up so far away from the main note is because two different gaps are being used here: Dorico is using both the âMinimum distance between rightmost grace note and rhythmic itemâ gap (from Grace Notes group on the Notes page in Engraving Options) and âGap to left of leftmost accidentalâ (from Gaps on the Accidentals page of Engraving Options). Unfortunately reducing either or both of these to zero will cause problems in other situations, so unless we can think of a good way to handle this spacing situation better automatically (which I will definitely think about), this might be a situation where a bit of manual adjustment â once that is possible via editable rhythmic spacing â will be necessary.
You can achieve the beaming you want in bars 4, 7, 21, 22, and 26 by switching off the âSplit secondary beamâ property you have set, and instead selecting the first and last notes of each beam group in turn and choosing Edit > Beaming > Beam Together.
Peter,
I got the rests to delete by selecting each one and hitting delete. Apparently there was a lock-duration set on them. I think I hit delete twice on each rest. I then clicked on the quarter note, and hit end voice, and the rests went away.
Robby
That does add the 8th rest back in on the beginning of the next measure. To delete the rest, select on the first 8th note and click start voice.
Robby
Thank you, Daniel! I really appreciate the time it took to address this. Iâd gotten off on a completely wrong foot and was tweaking the wrong things. Iâm really glad that Dorico does have these capabilities. The only place I couldnât emulate the original notation was bar 17. It would be nice to be able to show the 32nd note gesture upwards without the break in the middle so maybe it would be possible sometime to remove the one-beam-fewer limitation the Split secondary beam function in the properties panel. I would only wish for another setting in Notation Options/Beam Grouping not to allow secondary beam breaks. Thereâs still a lot of music that doesnât use these (also in 16th runs in 3/8 or 6/8 meter, for example), and having to override this setting manually for each beam group isnât really an option.
For what itâs worth, hereâs the updated version of the aria with most of the âproblemsâ taken care of. Iâm hoping itâll be possible to take care of the others in version 1.0.10.
Goldberg aria.dorico.zip (138 KB)
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
At this point, I donât really care about the engraving, or whether I have the correct Baroque ornamentals ( I know I do not - I just picked whatever is available right now). For me this is just a really basic exercise on how to enter notes.
Two things are still totally confusing to me:
- I still canât get rid of the empty bars after bar 32 - I keep selecting individual rests, delete them (or try to), I select bars and then delete them. Sometimes the number of empty bars go up, sometimes they go down ⌠again and again ⌠dozens of times. Itâs a complete mystery as to what is going on. Iâm now left with one extraneous bar.
While entering the notes and mangling Bach I probably committed many crimes against humanity, but coming from Sibelius, I am used to being able to just select bars and delete them â whatever is in them, lock, stock and barrel. Just get rid of it.
- I still donât quite understand what the deal is the many voices and the coloring. For example, I started out with blue in the top staff, and turquoise / amaranth / green in the bottom staff.
After the first repeat (bars 17 ff.), the bottom staff is all blue. When I click on them, I canât see which voice they are â why are there so many different colors? Can I select voices and then turn them into other voices? Which voice even corresponds to a particular color?
Maybe I just donât understand the way Dorico works ⌠should I just input one voice at a time, from the beginning until the end, and then do the next voice?
Peter, it will be much easier to tell why bars arenât deleting from version 1.0.10, as youâll see signposts for e.g. hidden time signatures, which I suspect is whatâs causing the problem. The Write > Trim Flow feature will only delete up to the last actual event in the music, and the last event in the music can be invisible (e.g. an irregular bar caused by having deleted a time signature or similar). In 1.0 you canât see that these things even exist, and of course itâs also easy to inadvertently create such a situation by deleting a barline accidentally. In 1.0.10, itâll be harder to delete barlines by mistake (they wonât be included in the selection when you click in the staff to select music, and they wonât be selected via marquee selection either), and when they do occur, youâll be able to see them and hence delete them.
You should be able to force the deletion of bars by double-clicking in the bar before the bar(s) you want to delete, such that the caret appears there, then type Shift+B to show the bars and barlines popover, and type e.g. -3 to delete three bars, starting with the bar following the caretâs current position.
We definitely have more work to do to make this more obvious and easier. There is a missing bit of user interface that we hope to add soon, which we call the system track, which will appear above the top of every system and provide an easy way to insert bars, delete bars, and select all the music across all players (including system-attached things like tempos, rehearsal marks, time signatures, key signatures, and so on).
As for voices, I suspect the issue might be that you are hitting Shift+V every time you want to switch to another voice, which you donât need to do: once youâve started using a second voice anywhere on a staff, you can switch between the voices youâve used by hitting V on its own.
Unfortunately the editing functions provided to allow you to sort out extraneous voices easily are not there yet, and alas they wonât be included in 1.0.10 as we had planned (some bugs and other problems with copying and pasting in the end took priority), but we will come to these as soon as we possibly can.
The functionality youâre describing sounds really amazing and I canât even imagine how complex it must be to implement. Itâll certainly make our lives easier and perhaps even lessen the need to be able to hide objects like rests. Looking forward to future developments!