Thanks Claude – words of wisdom.
Yes, I’ll stick around. I don’t have any pressing deadlines, so one step at a time will do it for me.
Thanks Claude – words of wisdom.
Yes, I’ll stick around. I don’t have any pressing deadlines, so one step at a time will do it for me.
I have not been able to follow this thread for lack of Dorico, but the seconds in Variation 6 in the Lapalme engraving should not be separated by the dot. It is not like that in the first edition or in any edition I have ever encountered and with good reason: legibility. The two notes that form each second should be touching or almost touching and the dot must be offset wherever it is mostly clearly visible. This will probably require hand positioning of every dot.
You are correct. And it was mentioned in a previous comment that voice positioning is incorrect on seconds where the dotted 1/4s are on lines. Hopefully, it is something that can be fixed. But it seems very specific to this exact examples where 16ths run underneath and notes are beamed in a baroque fashion. Eschewing any of those practices takes care of the spacing. My quickly jotted example was simply as a means to encourage Peter.
For the record, here is the way Finale does this with only one edit of the first tie to an “under” tie:
The order of the notes in the seconds varies in different editions, but Finale’s default output matches the Peters edition (ed. Soldan) exactly.
I agree. The distances Dorico places in an attempt not to distort the spacing of the even LH 16ths causes unsightly gaps between notes which should [almost] touch, almost making the measure look as though the time signature were 7/16 at times. And I’m still bothered by Dorico’s inability to flatten beams correctly. The LH 16ths in the first 5 bars (and similar spots) should always be flat. This has already been a long discussion and Daniel said that the team is looking to improve this in a coming update.
And here is Variation 7. Maybe if I do one variation per day, I’ll get the hang of the program before very long … have to say that this one is much easier than Variation 6.
Three questions:
Cheers!
Do you mean that the first system is intended from the left-hand side? If so, go to the Note Spacing page of Layout Options and set ‘Indent first system by n spaces’ to 0.
You can hide individual accidentals by selecting the notes in question and setting the ‘Accidental’ property to ‘Hide’.
You could set the job option to e.g. ‘2-up’ before you export your graphics, which would put both pages into the same PNG. For more than two pages, however, you’ll always end up with multiple graphics.
I believe that Daniel may have meant the “Staves and Systems” category of “Layout Options.”
Select “Layout Options” by Shift-Command-L (on a Mac; I assume Shift-Control-L for Windows, but am not using it) or go to the Setup tab and select the menu “Setup > Layout Options…”. Then, under “Select a Category:” in the left sidebar, select “Staves and Systems.”
Dear Peter,
It’s indeed in the Layout options, but in Staves and Systems category.
And here’s Variation 8.
It may be subjective but something has changed in the latest Dorico update – the “funny” stuff with the accidentals is now gone. Great improvement.
Quick question: I like the way this looks, except for the final system which is squished together – is there a way to get it to the same length as the other systems?
Thanks!
Goldberg Variations - Variation 8.zip (216 KB)
Quick question: I like the way this looks, except for the final system which is squished together – is there a way to get it to the same length as the other systems?
Looks great!
Layout Options → Note Spacing → “Only justify final system in flow when more than …”
Many thanks Anders! I’m pretty sure I asked this before … and somebody replied to it as well. Anyways.
note to self: see also Tip on page 70 of operation manual.
Edit: this is only half of Variatio 8 - rest to follow
And here’s the full version. I’m quite pleased with the way it looks, but while inputting the notes something strange happened – the playback was out of sync, meaning that the green bar was about 2 bars ahead of the music and it wouldn’t play back until the end.
This is somewhat similar to what someone posted in “Dorico is faster than I want!” thread.
After shutting down Dorico, Sibelius and Reaper, and rebooting Dorico (and Sibelius and Reaper) the problem did not reoccur.
Weird?
I am using the generic low latency asio driver, sample rate 48kHz (same sample rate I am using with Sibelius and Reaper).
ps on a layout note, why do I have to enter “Variatio 8” on every page after manually fiddling around with the frames? I may have asked this before, still not sure that I understand how to set up a subtitle.
Goldberg Variations - Variation 8 v2.zip (235 KB)
A little tighter Version… Just for fun.
Subtitles: {@flowsubtitle@}
I suggest not to overwrite the Master Pages, but to include the subtitle into them. Additionally could you build a paragraph style “Subtitle” and use it. I did something like that in the example file, removed all overwrites and system and frame breaks.
And I played around with Setup/Layout Options/Vertical Spacing
Goldberg Variations - Variation 8 v2.dorico - tighter.zip (234 KB)
A little tighter Version… Just for fun.
Subtitles: {@flowsubtitle@}
I suggest not to overwrite the Master Pages, but to include the subtitle into them. Additionally could you build a paragraph style “Subtitle” and use it. I did something like that in the example file, removed all overwrites and system and frame breaks.
And I played around with Setup/Layout Options/Vertical Spacing
Very cool — thanks Peadey.
One comment though: I would prefer bars 1 - 16 on page 1, and then bars 17 - 32 on the next page.
I tried to do that myself, by selecting the first and last note of bars 1-16 and “make into frame”.
But then this resulted, see attachment. How to clean this up?
Goldberg Variations - Variation 8 v2.dorico - tighter (v2).dorico.zip (234 KB)
Automatic “casting off” bars into systems tends to get tied in knots when there is only one “good” solution - presumably 3 bars per system for Var 8. However the computer is measuring “goodness”, it can get painted into a corner where making everything “good” except for one “terrible” system seems like “the best solution on average”.
You could add a system break somewhere on each page to force two systems to have two bars each. Since all the bars are almost the same length, it probably doesn’t matter much which systems you tweak.
Alternatively, you could try changing the overall note spacing in the engraving rules. i.e. set Layout Options / Note Spacing / Default space for quarter note bigger than 4. That might encourage Dorico to think two bars per system is “not too bad” for a couple of systems on each page. Or you could try making the spacing tighter and see if Dorico will put 4 bars on a system, and have fewer systems.
But if these two pages are facing pages in the printed score, it doesn’t really matter if the repeat mark comes at the end of a page, because there are no page turns anyway.
Welcome to the difference between “banging the notes into a notation package” and “doing music engraving”
You could do something like this:
Sorry I haven’t had the time to participate in this thread for awhile.
For the layout, I’d suggest keeping the three bars per system as a general rule but choosing the systems which need slightly more room as the ones to be formatted with two bars per system. In this case that would be the first systems, because they’re either indented (beginning of 1st half) or have forward repeat bars (beginning of 2nd half), and the last systems of both halves because of the 32nd note runs. This will still stretch those systems out more than strictly necessary but stretching those systems would seem to be the least of all possible evils.
Hm … all things considered I think Peter’s version of Sunday is clearly the easiest on the eyes with 5 systems on page 1 and 6 on page 2. The original (source) takes up twice the space as it explains in an auxiliary staff how the ornaments are to be performed; if you don’t need that then two pages is plenty indeed. And as Rob mentioned having the repeat signs right at the end of the first page isn’t really necessary as both are open on the piano stand anyway. Only thing I might change is take out the indent on the first system to have all systems are the same length, though that is a pretty minor issue.