Groove Agent has lost it's way

Hi Andras,

So do you think you will purchase GA4?

I did think it was well worth the money, but (eg. GUI) I did not feel it was for ‘me’.


To me it is the opposite. I find EZDrummer much deeper (at least for the time being) with all the different enclosed accuostic drumsets, very good expansions and MIDI grooves. It has also a more open philosophy, thus many others make grooves and drumsets that EZDrummer can play. Nobody else than Steinberg (so far) makes grooves that fully utilizes the GA software, although you can use General MIDI.

Sound wise I find GA completely unusable compared to EZDrummer. That is EZDrummer 2 (two). I have bought the full version of GA4 and played around a month with it. Wrote a new manual for it to remember how to use the strange GUI in connection with 3. party grooves.

It may be that the EDM part of GA4 is ok. I rarely use that.

For those of us that remember GA2 and 3, 4 is a huge dissapointment.

Support through Toontrack is heaven compared to Steinberg.

The main thing is however that one find something that one is comfortable with, no matter what it is called and no matter what the neighbours oppinion is.


ToonTracks support (via email) is very good indeed). Replies within 24/48 x hours.

It is a bit of a shame though that the Forum does not attract more traffic. I have heard there is a dedicated FaceBook page, but that is something I would not use, personally.



I’m not sure if I’ll buy it. I need to play with it some more. I have EZ-drummer 1, so upgrading is pretty cheap. I’ll have to judge which one fits my needs better.
Funny thing about the sound quality. But then again I only got a demo version of ezdrummer 2. It doesn’t contain all the drumsets, so I’m probably missing out on some of the good ones.


I would think they give you enough to be able to judge/compare it against similar products. Plus there are tons of demonstrations videos on You Tube.

But if for have EzD1 then you should be familiar with all the fundamentals and basic concept etc.


Yeah I reckon that they have.
I’ve been demoing groove-agent and ezdrummer some more. I still think that groove agent 4 sounds better.
It’s a matter of taste. I guess


Just to say I made some more purchases this week for my recent EZD2. The salesman Josh phoned me (UK) from the US to offer advice and pre-sales support. What a superb service indeed!

Anyway, I have ordered the two MONSTER MIDI packs (FILLS and ODD METERS), and also the CLASSIC EX and BLUES EX.

Have a nice little collection now to be going on with for a year or two…

I wanted to ask please, I have consequently now downloaded FIVE out of SIX of the “MIDI PACK 6” (Activation Codes) I purchased recently. Do you know if there is a TIME LIMIT (eg 28 x days) for making/downloading your choices? Or does the download time remain open?



It ramains open in your user account after registration.

Hi RedRum,

Ok, thats great! So I can take my time and choose my final MIDI at leisure.



does anyone know of a good vst compressor i can use for cubase 7 AND iLok 2 compatible?

i have a brand new iLok 2 that I’ve never used and i want to use it if i can, instead of buying a eLicenser dongle…(there’s none available in australia)
i tried RND Portico trial, and iLok manager sees the iLok 2 but won’t recognise the act code. eLicenser accepts the code but does not recognise the iLok 2
I’ve been reading all day and i may have missed something
any help would be nice.

Might be better off posting this in a more relevant thread mate!

25 Euros:

ahhhh mate… not very constructive help there! see how many times I’ve posted???
wheres your manners? :smiling_imp:


I was simply suggesting you may obtain an answer more quickly by re-posting the questions elsewhere. This was based on personal experience because I have made the very same mistake myself and likewise members responded similarly. It was supposed to be a pointer but interpret it how you might.

I have no idea as to how many threads you have started? And I do not see why/how this is at all relevant?


just pointing out Im only new to the forum as you were once. seemed as though you were doing the whole newb thing on me, anyway thanks for elaborating…
i shall move on then

How are things getting along? Are you happy with your choice?
I’m pretty much leaning towards EZ-drummer 2 now. I’ve found tap2find to be a tremendous time saver.
I wish Groove agent 4 had that.

I totally agree with the posts above on GA as having lost it´s way. And sadly so too as GA 2 and 3 were quite usable even if the samples and sound quality could have been better. It seems sad that Steinberg, who in Cubase has such a good and creative friendly concept that really makes it easy to go with the creative flow in your music making, seems stuck on the teenage techno thing. They have it in their hands to do something really good, but no! There appears to be something wrong in the leadership of Steinberg, sadly.

I just want to say, when talking about competitors as EZ drummer and such. EZ is all rightish, but those of you who have the chance. Try Digidesign /Avid´s “Strike2” and you´ll find you´re suddenly in a totally different league. The sound samples makes you wake up and wonder what you´ve been doing all the time. Makes you think you´ve never heard a professional drum sampler/plugin before. Of course it is limited to work in the protools environment! It´s just miles of difference in terms of sound quality. That is what one would wish GA4 to be in the VST environment but sadly no!
(As a footnote I´d like to add too that my experiences of testing the plain audio signal of ProTools, Logic and Cubase, nothing beats ProTools in terms of naturalness, headroom, breathing and cleanness) Logic and Cubase are far behind, still after all these years! Doesn´t differ much, but it differs. And it might just be that difference that makes all the difference to your tracks! OR not, the Cubase sound also works in many contexts, but it´s different)

I often defend Steinberg for it´s user friendliness in relation to the other DAW´s, but I cannot do that for the GA4 plug. I think it time Steinberg takes a real think through on what they are doing. It makes you just so sad to see it fall of the ladder…

When will Steinberg see the diamond they hold in their hand…?

Hello Andra,

Well, I got it all installed on both my Win7 and Win8.1 in January. It took a long time to get all of the stuff downloaded plus apply all the necessary UPDATES. Anyway, totally unrelated, during February after much debate and trying various solutions, it became apparent that I needed to get both of my PC’s RE-FORMATTED. So when I got them back a couple of weeks ago they have obviously both been stripped down! Now I have to RE-INSTALL all of the EzD2 software again which is a total PITA! But worse than that, my bloody Steinberg DONGLE cracked and so I can’t complete my Cubase INSTALLATIONS!

So, a really bad start to the year computer-wise you might agree!

However, I have watched tons of You Tube tutorial on the EzD2 and also I got the whole USER GUIDE printed out from my local printing store (I think it cost just over 5 quid).

Hopefully I will be back up and running soon and able to offer you more feedback.



Hey Paul.
That is horrible.
I hope that everything is going to be alright soon.
Thanks for your answer and good luck.

Hi Andras,

Just building it all back up right now. Yes, it’s a complete drag dude!

The main issue though is the damn DONGLE which has thrown a spanner in the works.

But luckily I will still be able to install and practice using EzD2 without having any Cubase facility.