Groove Agent has lost it's way

Air Music Technology’s Strike 2 is indeed available in VST form for Cubase, and certainly looks interesting enough to give it a whirl.

I am a Groove Agent 4 newbie. I build all my own kits and I mostly program my own patterns (although I occasionally use something like the NI Drummer or EZDrummer series for things that require a more traditional drum approach), so the Beat Agent portion is where I’ve spent all of my time in GA 4.

For someone like me, who likes to create bespoke kits and program patterns during composition, Groove Agent 4 is one of the best tools I’ve used.

While I don’t share the complaints of most of the people in this thread (since I don’t use the acoustic or percussion agents) I do sympathize. I’ve used Native Instruments Battery 3 in possibly every single project I’ve done since I entered the digital age in 2010. Aside from the ugly and occasionally unresponsive UI, it is nearly the perfect drum sampler. When Native Instruments dropped nearly all of Battery’s unique kit-building features in the Battery 4 update it felt like a sort of betrayal. Why couldn’t they just add new features and improvements without taking away all the things that used to make Battery unique?

Anyway, so far I think Groove Agent 4 is great, but I do seem to be using it in a different way from most of the people in this thread.

EDIT: I’m also curious if some of the folks here who do more jazzy stuff have found any of the Groove Agent expansions useful? I noticed there was a Jazz one out- Jazz Essentials?

I’ve been with Groove Agent since the original GA1 years ago, and it has always been a great tool for composition, as well as, at times, a cool and convenient addition to live studio tracks (Yeah, believe it or not). I still use Groove Agent 3 along with Groove Agent 4 (Two very different beasts, to be sure) and find both tools indispensable in a variety of situations.
In Cubase Pro 8 or Nuendo 6.5, via JBridge, you can’t find an easier tool than Groove Agent 3 for laying a quick drum track when inspiration hits, one that can be easily edited or augmented, and further enhanced with Groove Agent 4. I’m not a note for note from scratch drum programmer, but editing a performance by world-class drummers in either of these tools couldn’t be more user friendly, at least for me. I think the confusion for many was the expectation that Groove Agent 4 was going to be the next iteration of GA3, when in fact it is a completely different workflow. Unfortunate naming convention, I think, but the tool itself is great when you get used to it, which doesn’t take very long, truthfully. It’s all subjective, of course, but the critics have this one wrong. Can’t please everyone :slight_smile:

The critics don’t have it wrong - work flow is everything, GA + 2 and 3 all worked the same way and people got used to that way of working could produce what they want really fast. I would find something similar to what I want, dump the midi plus a handful of fill I like and then manually edit to taste - still driving GA. GA4 is a completely different product aimed at a different market - it’s more like NI Battery 3 than GA, GA2 or GA3. Steinberg should have at least had the decency to retire Grove Agent if they didn’t want to continue the product as it stood and call GA4 something else - it’s not the same VSTi. I do own GA4 and am struggling to find any genuine reason why it’s better than GA4 SE supplied with Cubase. If it’s just kits then I got plenty of samples I could have used to build up new kits with SE.

I’m curious - did people here try the demo before shelling out for the full version? I tried the demo - realised what it is and what its not, uninstalled and haven’t look back since…

For those enjoying GA4 - excellent , more power to you…
For those that bought without checking it out 1st, and are now regretting the purchase… mmm tough tackie?

The demo came long after the release.

Hi,
can someone please mail me an GA3 iso ?
I have GA4 and GA2, but can’t install GA2 in Win7 64

Thanks.

Hello Folks,

If it helps, I’ve created over 90 minutes of training for GA4.

A 30 minute demo can be downloaded at : http://www.musicalnotes.org.uk/

It’s aimed at those just getting into GA4.

Hope it helps.

Hi Folks

The full 90 minute course is available now for Groove Agent 4 at http://www.musicalnotes.org.uk/

I know most Jedi Groove Agent users here won’t need it, but it’s available for those new to the program and want to skip the initial confusion with it.

Hope it helps.

I’ve just spent maybe… 3 hours of a day off trying to install Cubase AI LE 8 that came with my UR22 interface.

Unreal ordeal.

I was mainly interested in trying out Groove Agent 4 SE, and the chord editor. Despite moving the “additional content” folder around to different folders, I can’t get Cubase to recognize Groove Agent is in there. Or any other VSTs for that matter, but that’s another problem.

I long for GA 1/2. It was the quickest way to get an idea to a song, and despite all of the fans of it seen referencing across the internet, it’s baffling Steinberg just ignores that.

PLEASE, MYSTICAL INVISIBLE DEVELOPERS OF GA 1 and GA 2, HEAR MY CALL! RELEASE AN X64 COMPATIBLE VERSION! YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, JUST RECOMPILE! PUHLEEZ!

Ahghr.

+1

Oh I second that!!!

Rum Drum, I do agree with that! I wonder how hard it would be to release a Retro GA 1/2/3 version. hmmmmmm?

The partnership between Bornemark and Steinberg has dissolved long ago.

Steinberg are no longer in charge of the code. Groove Agent 1/2/3 or the Virtual Guitarist instrument (a real shame - another great VSTi by all accounts) have nothing to do with Steinberg anymore.

Write to Sven at Bornemark and see if you can get any answers there…
http://bornemark.se/

Thanks for the info My Man!

GA3 was excellent for what it was.

Paul

I was in contact with Sven Bornemark when development of the excellent software “Broomstick Bass” was stopped. He said he did not possess the source codes himself and that was impossible for him to develop it further. Perhaps it is the same situation with GA. I will contact him and find out.

RR,

Maybe if enough of use chipped-in 10GBP each, Sven might consider some further development of the GA range!?

Paul

My only complaint about GA4 is that switching between drum patterns doesn’t sound as smooth as it was in GA3, but I get a feeling that you can fix this with a setting that’s right under my nose (lol). Other than that if GA4 came with the GA3 kits it would a straight upgrade in my opinion. There’s a couple of electronic kits in GA3 that still sound pretty good.

Which way is GA 5 going?

Full of hope I threw in a bunch of bucks to get the update of Groove Agent, GA 5 after having enjoyed GA 1, 2 and 3 (which doesnt work at all on a recent mac computer today since they are outdated now (which says something of the longetivity of Steinberg products). I was totally disapointed with version 4 when it arrived some years ago.
I dont know why this makes me so mad. I think it is the serious need of a true drummer plugin for the serious musician. I also know there are sensible people at Steinberg with good intentions that I dont want to hurt, but there are so many grooves and sounds in this that are nothing but kids crap.
Now 2018 I thought Steinberg ”today at least must have come to their senses” regarding GA, and took a chance to buy the update.

But no, not at all. GA 5 is just as far off for any serious musician as before. In the ads for GA5 Steinberg says it is supposed to serve many different genres. That is true only to a certain degree. I find it in practice totally mainly geared for the aspiring young teenager doing hiphop, techno, punk or whatever of similar sort. If you are looking for nuances look elsewhere my friend. This is not for someone playing drums, this is for those beating them!. The sound estethics of GA reminds me of ”as many and as hard hits per beat as possible” This is what you get evrytime you are to try out a new ”groove”, before you have manually tweaked every single button down to something more human. (it´s like evrytime you turn on the radio it has to be on full blast!)

Look at the so called ”media bay” or browser database which is an absolutely nonfunctioning system to my mind. This is maybe actually the most senseless concept of Steinberg in the whole of Steinbergs lineup, allthough the original idea might be well meaning, but it just don´t work, and it never really has either. It jumps from one menu to another and redraws in the spur of a second until you go mad. Still Steinberg stubbornly sticks to it. crazy! Of all the myriads of choices there is still no way to follow any logical structure in picking your genre, style, beat or part in the flow of verse or chorus.
Grooves are classified by names like ” The London way”, ”young and proud” or ”College bound”. Is this for kindergarten, one might ask.

Have Steinberg not discovered that a drum hit consists of many parts where the striking agent plays an important role, the stick, hand or brush or mallet, but there are no mallets here and definetly no brushes and most drums and mixes has the same (loud” velocity. For an all round musician working in many different genres GA 5 strikes me as totally useless and a complete waste of time and money, I am sad to say. This makes me finally having had it with most things Steinberg, I doubt there will be use keeping up even Cubase on my system. GA 5 is not a serious tool to my mind. And definetely not suited for many different genres.

I am getting GA3 to work on Sierra, and I guess it would work on newer OS as well, using 32 Bit Lives as Brigde. Nice also to use BlackCats wrapper. If the vst does not work, the AU might, and since you are on a MAC you can install both. BlackCats wrapper and 32 Bit Lives are bundled at an, if not cheap, then “nice” price.

I have GA4 (full version) but never used it. IMO GA2 was the best from Steinberg and I still use it by linking an old computer to my newer MAC. I prefer GA2 over GA3 for unexplainable reasons and I use this 2 machine set up instead of GA3 on my MAC. I never threw the old computer and now it gives me both old Steinberg stuff and Broomstick Bass. It is also a PC and not a MAC so I can get a lot of PC only VST to work there as well.

My experience with GA4 was so bad I never wanted to try out GA5, and you are right, it is mostly for had hitting Hip Hop or EDM. But, that is where the real money is and Steinberg is not the only ones doing this. Look to Native Instruments and see their development during the last years. To me both Steinberg and NI have become less interesting. It is fighting windmills trying to get them to turn, as said, the money is elsewhere.

I am using different kinds of drum software, depending on genre. Superior Drummer / EZ Drummer are the ones I use the most. I also use Drumcore 4 and and EastWest Pro Drummer. The last one has the best sound, but the first one the better interface (actually SD 2 was better thant the current 3) and workflow IMHO. Drumcore has som nice stuff for jazz, funk and so. I also have a bunch of other drum stuff for metal. Jazz Drums can get a honorable mentioning when it comes to brushes, but it is a little limited and harder to manipulate. If I should recommend only one it would be EZ Drummer. Rahter cheap, a wast variety of drum sets to add and a huge number of available gooves, both by Toontrack and 3. party (although not as sofisticated as the big brother).