I created a folder track and converted it to a Group Folder Channel (Cubase 15.0.20). I couldn’t work out why the volume changes and mutes I applied to the Group Folder channel were not effective. I have since realised that all my post-fader sends for the individual tracks inside the folder(going to a reverb) were still pumping out full values (as if they were pre-fader rather than post-fader).
Putting the reverb onto the Group Folder Channel send instead of on the channels inside the folder works. Mutes and Volume changes applied to the Group Folder Channel work as you would expect for the channels inside the folder. Only the sends on the individual channels within the Group Folder Channel are not responding to the Group Channel changes to volume / mute status. Is this a new bug?
That behavior seems entirely logical and intuitive to me. As far as I understand it the “Group Folder” is basically combining a Group and a Folder track together.
If you had just routed your tracks to a group track the behavior would be what you see now. Changing the summed level “in” the group happens after the output of the “individual tracks” and therefore don’t change even the post-fader send levels on those individual tracks.
Mattias is right, that´s the way groups (and group folders) work in all DAWs (And analog Mixers).
Only exception is Logic Pro. In Logic Pro Group-folders (called summing folders) work differently then groups and reducing the level of a summing folder would also reduce post-fader level sends of the summed tracks.
Thanks, Mattias, Wolfger, I understand and I realise there was ghost reverb affecting my mixes before as my use of group channels misunderstood how my Post became effectively a Pre. I’ve removed the “issue’ flag from the post name. But I do think I like Logic Summing approach better, it allows more flexibility, I use a lot of groups in general, and I will need to be super-careful how and where I use post-fader sends from now on.
Typically one would use a VCA for controlling volume on a selection of channels. However, I personally do not recommend using VCAs in Cubase due to unpredictable behavior.
Here’s a fun hack that uses a 5.0 Group Track to split a dry and wet signal.
Create a 5.0 Group Track.
Remove the output routing on your source track and group.
On your source track, enable two Sends, both going to the Group Channel. (These will be your dry and wet sends.)
Adjust the panning of your first (dry) send to be all front:
