No idea… As a matter of fact, this has been reported as a CONFIRMED issue [BON-11006] in the issues section since Dec 20, 2014. Does anybody at Steinberg have any sort of explanation to why this is not on the priority list?’
Here’s the issue report thread: Steinberg Forums
I had the same problems with GUI lag and stuttering.It has something to do with the graphic card since the 8.03 update.The problem persists also in 8.5 Update.
If you are in in a dual monitor setup try to move your workspase in one monitor.Its better.
It’s very frustrating to work like that so i’ve decided to change my graphic card
I borrowed from a friend a GForce msi graphic card and the problem solved.
No stuttering ,no laggish behaviour.
My previous graphic card was an AMD Radeon HD 6700
Depends…for VST plugins that use the ‘Juce’ framework for their GUI’s (eg., D16’s LuSH101), things are definitely faster - and less crash prone. The main ‘arrange’ window and mixing console seem slightly faster as well. Key editor (midi) seems to be about the same, however.
(win7, ati hd7770)
Hello,
yes, someone always reads, although it’s not always possible to consistently participate in the forum.
This ‘laggy GUI’ issue is very specific and was not reproduced in-house (some users have been contacted by QA directly AFAIK), making the resolution particularly tricky.
I checked the entry BON-11006, it is still open and set for resolution within the 8.0 cycle (and of course 8.5). I would also like to inform you that there are more related tasks to GUI, performance and stability, these are considered of utter importance.
We are also trying to understand in which cases this happens, so that we can inform you and set up a KB article.
Kind regards,
Hi Fabio! Thank you very much for chiming in here. Very appreciated!
On my part I can’t describe this issue more in detail than what I’ve already done in this video:
The video was made before the 8.0.30 update was released, but that update made it even worse with playhead stuttering and occational GUI freeze when performing the most simple tasks - an issue that has been reported by several other users as well.
I should add that this overall GUI lag occurs for me only on my Windows 7 machine. Not in OSX on my Macbook Pro. I did however try installing C8 on a Bootcamp partition running Windows 8.1, and I got the same kind of lag there as well.
See my signature below for complete specs of my Windows PC.
Thank you! /Robert
Hello Robert, thanks a lot!
Windows 7 and Cubase 8 are not best friends; it can work fine, but C8 does not play as nice on it as it does on Win 8.1. Especially in combination with some OpenGL plug-ins.
We also know about sporadic issues with Quadro cards, I see you have one, particularly bad if combined with Core Parking - there is a lot of work being put into this at the moment, I really hope to have more specific information soon (the Quadro issue was reproduced on one of our machines, that will be analysed and traced in depth).
[Edit: I guess you refer to this when you say it is ‘worse in 8.0.30’? Steinberg Forums - if yes, this is in progress and should be solved very soon according to the current entries]
Best,
Hey again Fabio!
Yes that is correct. This is the issue I got when updating.
Thanks!
Thank you Fabio, for your response. Here is my specs:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit,
Asus P8P67 LE Motherboard,
Intel i7 (2nd gen),
32gb DDR3 ram,
AMD Radeon HD 7970 GPU.
All with latetest firmware and software (latest BIOS included) & no overclocking.
I had no problems on Cubase 5, 6, 7, 7.5. This GUI lag (especially MIDI edits including CC drawings) problem started with Cubase 8 and so on. I hope it will be solved in a very short time, it really affects my workflow…
Thanks,
Best
Cnk
It was noticeable for me on Cubase 8 but it’s much worse on Cubase 8.5. I don’t think it is a Win7 problem as I’m using win10. I actually have not heard of any Windows user that did not notice the lag, and have yet to read about anyone on the forum not having the lag issue, unless they are using Mac.
My audio is fine, that’s why I can afford to be patient.
@cnk: thank you, I’m going to send you a PM later on
The post from peakae tells me it is needed to clarify some points.
The issues I’m currently investigating are not Win 7 specific. It’s just that some GUI problems are more severe on 7 than on 8 or 10.
It is also very important to distinguish between different issues. I was previously referring in particular to the issue [BON-11006] mentioned before I posted, which is about the video (engine) and stuttering GUI. It is indeed system-specific and not easy to reproduce.
This is not related to the issue I linked [BON-13898], for example, which is known and easily reproducible on any system. What I’m working on is also not related to redraw issues with editors and plug-ins, which are usually due to hardware / driver interaction and solvable with updates and BIOS/UEFI tweaks. Better if reproducible with no 3rd party plug-ins.
What I’m particularly interested in:
– GUI issues that trigger performance problems not related to a particular GPU (i.e. the issue persists when using the built-in Intel HD or replacing the GPU) on systems where BIOS, Power Options and audio configuration have been already optimised (possibly with previous help from support) to no avail and re-install does not help either.
If the performance of different versions of Cubase is abnormally different or consistently bad, it is likely that it’s one of the systems we need to analyse.
– The Quadro problem, despite being also very specific, is now quite well understood - but any additional information we can gather will be useful.
To cut it short, I would like to track down hardware combinations that cause this and which differences can be spotted compared to systems where the software is behaving as expected. For this purpose, the cleaner the system, the better.
This don’t apply, for example, to short lags when opening the MixConsole (also with a short white frame) that can increase in combination with specific plug-ins (another case in which Win 7 shows more issues).
Hope it’s not too cloudy…
Nice to hear fixes are in the works.
Thanks
Regards J
@fabio - I’m glad you are looking into this
Cubase 8 has always had poor graphic performance for me. I had assumed it was a combination of Aero and/or low powered graphics card. I work with large templates with video and upon switching from C6 to C8 noticed that video was no longer smooth - almost as if frames were being dropped. Everything felt very sluggish. This was most noticeable when zooming in (using zoom tool) and then reverting back to previous zoom. There can be up to a 1 sec delay when the project file is large and there are many objects onscreen (I work in TV and scored a single episode in a project file). When the project file is large all mouse related actions (dragging, side scrolling etc) very laggy.
I used to have 2 x Nvidia quadro nvs280 cards but recently updated to 2 x nvs300s thinking this would alleviate things. It made a negligible difference.
I was also seeing graphic related instability with crashes related to graphical ‘actions’ on occasion - especially when screen redraws were demanding. I’d also have crashes on selecting incrementally more objects (holding down the multiplier key - ‘lasooing’ to select multiple objects helps - clicking to select is very dangerous). I implemented the graphics acceleration registry fix mentioned in this forum and this has reduced the crashes markedly but extreme lag with redraws remains
You’re suggesting that the quadro cards may be the issue? I’ve tried many of their drivers and never install anything but the bare bones. I’ve also implemented all of steinbergs suggested optimisations. If there’s a fix coming for this I’ll be extremely relieved.
I’m on 8.0.20, W7, 3.2ghz e5-1650 Xeon with 64gb ram. If I can help further let me know
Cheers - Brett
Hello Brett,
I sent you a PM. As you will see, the scenario you describe is a little different to what I’m working on at the moment.
However, we can have a further look.
If the projects are big, it could be misleading and hard to track down, as there are many processing going on - but interesting and useful nonetheless. Please, let me know if the ‘multiple select’ issue persists with ASIO Guard disabled when you send your e-mail (crash dumps would also be useful, they are stored in Documents → Steinberg → Crash Dumps).
Yes, Quadro cards may be a problem, although not common. It looks like it’s due to a combination, as I had remote access to a machine built anew by a specialist to allow me seeing the difference between the freshly installed OS (7) and after the system and GPU drivers had been installed.
(if it applies to your GPU, I just received a positive report after installing the driver 358.91)
Thank you!
GUI in 8.5 noticeably snappier and faster than version 8 on Windows 10
I don’t know how I missed this thread. Just posted about it myself here: Dragging Parts Lagging behind - #3 by joedaddario - Cubase - Steinberg Forums
Thanks to all for confirming this. For me it’s a show-stopper. That is, I’m back to C7.5 till this is resolved. C7.5 is decent except for the crashes upon exit about 50% of the time. Oh well. So, we wait.
I’m having the same problem super annoying trying to edit and move regions around. Disable waveform and see if the problem goes away. If it does than its something with cubase waveforms.
RK
Upgrading to the latest 8.5.xx release resolves the lagging issue.
hth
Joey
I have the latest release,sorry I didn’t update my signature
Sorry I couldn’t be of more help. I had the problem until the most recent 2 ‘dot’ releases of C8.5.xx. I see you’re on 8.5.15. (I need to update my sig as well. ha ha.) I am on PC based system. I wonder if that’s part of the solution as I see you’re on Mac.
Cheers,
Joey
8.5.15 runs really well here, no more lagging.