Guitar barré and fret position indicators

Hi everyone,

I’m writing a song for guitar and I would enter either a barré indication and/or a fret position indicator depending on situations; I’m not confident about Dorico terminology so I hope my question is clear. I’ve done some search and, if I’m not wrong, the only way to have something like “ CIII———–” so far is referring to this Andy Forrest post, is this correct?

I also started reading the edit playing techniques in manual but how to add the number after the C letter it’s not clear to me…

And how would I get something like in the picture? (only roman number with no C letter)?

Thank you,

Art

I created twelve play(ing/back) techniques, I - XII ( direction, not attribute ) with the appropriate extender line, I think it’s solid line / downward hook. The VST I use (Ample) can move position as well as react to string indicators (which I also created as play(ing/back) techniques.

Close (unsure of key signature, but …):

Thank you very much, @derAbgang,

I’ll try to imitate you; no advices for fret number?

Is there a reason why Steinberg hasn’t implemented these technique that are very common for guitarists?

Very close, indeed! (Key signature is (3/4 6/8), both in bracket in my edition, G major)

The roman numerals are fret positions.

I’ve been playing guitar for a very, very long time and have seen a multitude of barre representations. What I’ve settled on is roman numerals with extension lines. I have alternative 1/2 techniques as well, but those are just for print. The VST doesn’t do “half baree”.

As to Steinberg’s implementation, no idea, but they add things every update.

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Yes, I know this, as I’ve been playin guitar for more or less fifty years now :wink:

My question was about placing roman number after the C letter in Dorico, combining them (and, in case it’s not present by default in Dorico, how to create them in editor (I never used it and I’m not in front of computer now).

I like this solution too, as in my attached example but I wish I could choose…

Thanks again for support!

Ah sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were asking about roman numerals without the C. The link above is the clearest way that I know (but again, I don’t use them so perhaps someone else has other suggestions).

Don’t worry, it’s ok! I think I’ll eventually download Andy Forrest’s xml file but I still ask to myself why didn’t Steinberg created those signs by default… :roll_eyes: :thinking:

Best!

Art

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Hi Arfo1962

May I suggest not using the xml file but the Library Manager then you can just use the Playing Techniques rather than the whole xml file.

Open the Library Manager (top menu) and drop the attached project file into the Dorico Project (2nd from top right).

Then, scroll down on the left column till you get to Playing Techniques and select it.

This way you will keep your own original user xml file intact except for playing techniques.

Let me know (this to all experts!) if there is anything to add to this comment.

Current PTs.dorico (782.8 KB)

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Hi @andyforrest,

thank you very much for writing and supporting me! I had found a sort of ‘workaround’ using common text and lines (as in the attachment) but I guess it’s not the best solution…

I’ll try for sure but I have a couple of questions left (that I copy from a post of mine in another thread):

“If I follow the path @dspreadbury indicated in his previous post [´~/Library/Application Support/Steinberg/Dorico 4] where I substituted 4 with 6 I don’t see any userlibrary file… The same in the old 5 version folder. Is it what I should expect not having modified anything so far?”

and the second one, that I ask to you as an opinion - given that you can’t know Steinberg strategies - is:

“is there a reason why Steinberg didn’t implement this kind of playing technique natively? (just to understand…)”

I very appreciate your work and your kindness!

I’ll let you know as soon as I can try.

Best,

Art

Hi again @andyforrest,

what I still don’t understand is where I can find my “original user xml file” and if there’s a way to backup it before trying some change…

I asked in another thread to @dspreadbury but he hasn’t answered yet and I’m a bit cautious about it…

Thank you for helping me!

Art

Might this help? It’s on a Mac - your own user Library (you may have to click on Go in top menu while holding Option down to see the Library.)
xml is at bottom right.

If you are on a PC I fear that I’m deep underwater.

Hi @andyforrest,

thank you again!

I’m on a Mac but I have no user library.xml file in Dorico 6 (and 5) folder… :thinking:

This is the reason why I’m a bit confused….

p.s. can it depend on the fact that I haven’t done any change so far?

Well, that seems odd to me - perhaps we no longer need them?
Not sure why I have one there if not.

Anyway, you should be able to get all you need in this case from the Library Manager.
And perhaps Daniel will answer your question.

Andy

Perhaps you could sneakily copy the xml file from Version 4 of Dorico and see if it updates☺️
Andy

I believe that file is only created when you create a custom something or another and “star” it.

Ah yes - that would make sense.

HI Andy,

I have only versions 5 and 6..