Using the small circle for harmonic notation, on tied notes it appears with both note heads. should be only on first.
I am just curious: how do you play a note only with harmonics on the first note?
I mean, if you put down your finger, musically this would be a slur, right?
Iām not sure I understand your question. In the example it is a 2nd partial natural harmonic played on the fifth string, twelfth fret, with the 2nd finger and should sound for 1 and a half beats.
This is more of a notation question, but Dorico is acting correct here. Harmonic should be indicated at every note in a tie chain.
Here an example from Gould (similar to yours):
Iām not a guitar expert, but I would guess you can start a harmonic part way through a note (especially on electric guitar with lots of sustain).
On other instruments (e.g. strings) you can both start and stop harmonics during a sustained note. The obvious way to notate that is with tied notes with and without the symbols.
If the harmonic on only the first notehead is really what you want, you have two options:
- Use one voice for the first notehead, and a different voice for the subsequent notehead(s), then select both (or all) noteheads and hit T to tie together.
- Use the Harmonic (o) Playing Technique, and if necessary, set its Continuation property to ānothingā (or shorten the duration of the Playing Technique).
Certainly a note can begin as a regular pitch and transform to a harmonic; much harder, the other way around (classical guitar, at least).
I wonāt argue with Gould. I would just point out that if one used the various diamond-shaped noteheads, both tied pitches would be the same shape/style. One wouldnāt have a diamond shaped note tied to a regular notehead, so I suppose following that logic, both should have a the circle above it, as Dorico implements it.
I wonāt argue with Gould either. Thanks everyone for your input.
If you make the first note of a bunch of tied dotted half notes in a different voice, how do you not see the rest in that first bar that contains the pitch in voice 2 and nothing in voice 1? Iād prefer to just change the voicing in the one measure than all of the subsequent bars that are also tied. Dan_S is correct in that in notation with ties only the first needs to have the harmonic on it. If all the tied notes had harmonics itās just clutter. Iām a string player, and I NEVER see harmonics on all of the notes in a tie. Only the first gets it. Can this be fixed so that in the Harmonics section thereās a box to click for āonly first note in a tie gets harmonic notationā?
Iād argue that on guitar, itās unlikely a noteās playing technique will change anymore after playing it, so the repeated harmonic is superfluous. On bowed strings, however, you generally hold the harmonic ātouchā for the total duration (or at least until itās safe to assume the string will stay vibrating harmonically for a few moments more, which is a trick we all use before a position shift).
So I think itās safer to repeat the circle on tied notes.
My experience matches with Gretchenās. I think there should be an engraving option for harmonic circles on the first note of a tie chain only.
Weāll implement an option for this in a future version of the software.
Thank you so much. I must say, between the forums with everybodyās answers including those of you making the videos, and the videos themselves, the customer support for this 1-week experience has been amazing. I have almost completed my first full project, which took me most of the week. I still have to make PDFs of the parts, so I want to do one last edit first. Most of what I accomplished is because of these forums. In Finale this probably would have taken me about the same time, but even with all of the google questions to Dorico and looking things up and watching videos, the project is taking the same time because a lot of things are actually easier in Dorico saving me time from the way I did things in Finale. I think this means it will go faster in the near future once I memorize all of the shortcuts!
I was really hoping this harmonics issue would be fixed in this latest upgrade of Dorico.
I can understand you hoping that, of course, but we cannot address every request in every update. Please rest assured that we will take care of this in a future version.