Yes I can do that. But why have the line there at all then? It defeats the purpose of having the loco option in the first place.
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Sometimes you might want to show loco with an extender line because an octave line applies to one voice only on the staff, and certain notes in the other voice should not be affected.
Thank you Daniel for the explanation. It still would be helpful to be able to hide it, because in most cases it is not needed.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding something here, but in my manual Shift+C is the “Clefs and Octave Lines” popover. If you don’t want an Octave Line or a Clef, why are you using that popover?
Never saw a dashed line following a loco either and can’t imagine a case where it would be more useful than confusing, but practically every musical expression marking might have a continuation line or not as desired, and hopefully this is all possible in Dorico. In cases where there is normally a dashed continuation line like 8---- then that should be the default. In cases where there is usually no continuation line like “loco”, that should be the default.
Incidentally, every time I see an 8va or 8ba or an (8va) or (8vb) I cringe. Music notation has a perfectly satisfactory way to show octave up or down: 8---- over the notes means an octave up and 8— under the notes means an octave down. What could be simpler and clearer? And no parenthesis is needed when an octave sign continues on the next line. One may still see this standard usage in the publications of the major publishers. I hope it is the default in Dorico. I note that Elaine Gould, while mentioning the other version, uses the simple 8— notation as the standard in her book.
Sorry to drag up a zombie thread, but did the question of ‘can I hide the dashed line and hook after a loco instruction?’ ever get answered?
I’ve only ever seen it used a couple of times, it’s definitely not the common practice (which is rare for Dorico, which normally implements things very much according to modern notation trends).
I know I can use plain text (which is what I’m currently doing) but it would be good to know if there’s a setting I’m overlooking.
Thanks!
Mike
There’s no setting you’re overlooking.
+1 for loco without the bracket
I have a problem with tied notes showing the line for the duration of both, when with tied notes only the first one needs the 8va.
You could put them in different voices. Then select the first voice, Shift-C, 8va, Alt-Enter. Then click and Ctrl-click to select both notes, and tie them.
I’d like to see a way to hide the line for when “8va” is wanted above just one note or chord. Including the line looks a little odd. See attached.
That seems like it’d be REALLY confusing, since wtihout reading way ahead there’d be no way of knowing if the 8va was on the one note or there was a loco way ahead.
In piano music, an 8 placed below a single bass note without a va or dashed line following it means col ottava (add the lower octave) for that one note. Does Dorico handle this notation?
Not semantically. It’s a matter of a minute’s work to set it up as a custom playing technique though.
Thanks, pianoleo.
Hi Daniel! Another reason for an 8va sign without a line could be if you have a section between repeats and you want the second “round” up the octave, in which case having a line through the whole section would be unnecessarily obtrusive. Instead it could be better simply to state ‘seconda volta 8va’ at the start. Thanks for your work!
So, I don’t think there is any way to prevent 8va lines from printing as ghost lines… I tried setting scale to 1, tried setting color to white and opacity to 0…nothing worked…but I have seemingly made the 8va lines disappear for printing by selecting all 8va lines, going to engrave mode, setting Y offset to a very high number like 10,000 … the reason I’m doing this is because I can’t find any other way to make harp harmonics play at the octave above where written!!! I know there’s a thread about creating an expression map for harp harmonics, but that affects all harp notes when using Noteperformer, so if LH of harp is doing harmonics, and RH is not, the custom playing expression will make LH and RH both transpose up an octave…
Of course the ideal solution is to have harp harmonics adjusted by the VST to sound an octave higher than notated, and since Arne @Wallander is currently working on a new version of Note Performer, this would be a good time to flag him with this request.
Not if you use independent voice playback:
Our position is that transposition is a visual feature of western notation that should be managed on the layout level. Not the least because there’s a school of thought notating harmonics at written pitch, particularly for non-harp instruments.
Here are two suggestions on how Dorico could add support. Either as a transpose feature next to “velocity” in the playback settings of the note, or as an octave/8va switch under harmonics.
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