Hide rests 2.0

Hi there,

i know, i know - another hide-rests thread. But I still found no solution for the following problem.
I like to have the result as shown in picture 1.
Now I didnt find any solution for writing this in one voice and make every 2nd note to another voice. Is there any… lets call it workaround? (in dorico, it seems, everything but spacing is a workaround) Anyway. I’m now in picture 2. I use the “Remove Rest” feature instead of just deleting them :question: and when I like to remove the last rest… Lets have a look at picture 3. :laughing:
Not the right solution, I think. I read something about implicit and explicit rests…

You can only hide implicit rests using Starts voice and Ends voice in the Notes and Rests group of the Properties panel.

After reading what the heck implicit and explicits rests are (I’ve just no idea, what that means), I got crazy about this start and end voice thing. But whatever I try - the last break as shown in picture 2 stays visible. After fiddling about the “start-end voice thing” some “removed” rests coming back to life like hamlets father. It is to be crazy. I thought that it couldn’t get more unintuitive after I tried to place the very unusual expression instructions espressivo and dolce (yeah, there is a workaround! :cry: ) and try to split a beam between tied notes (of course it only works in engraving mode and not in write mode :question: ). But this is… well, a new category of unintuitiviness.

Anyway, sorry for writing more than my question is about - but I spent hours with this simple things. :neutral_face:


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If it helps, implicit rests are rests that just happened because you didn’t enter notes in a particular spot, but just avoided that rhythmic position (by pressing the spacebar, for example). Go to an empty bar and start entering notes in the latter half; and the rests that are created in the earlier half are implicit. You didn’t create them; they just created themselves.

Explicit rests are rests you entered… explicitly. That is, you specified a duration and entered rest mode and put them there.

What you want is, in fact, fairly easy (see attached photo of my replica). You should be able to accomplish this in about a minute or so.

Here are the steps:

  1. Enter upstems as 32nd notes and press spacebar for rests. So upstem would start with a rest.
  2. Enter downstem as 32nd notes and rests as well, just start with the C.
  3. Click on each of the beam groups and select “beam together” (one at a time)
  4. Click on upstem note beams and force stems up
  5. Select the entire bar and Remove Rests

The first rule of thumb for Dorico: before you burn hours of work and get frustrated, ask the forum! :slight_smile:
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PS: here’s what it looks like before hiding the rests. You can see the upstem voices have been beamed together but the downstem ones have not yet been joined.

It looks bad, but the final step of hiding the rests is really quite magic!


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Sorry, last comment. To exactly replicate your example, you can drag the beams of the last downstem group in Engrave Mode:


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Thanks so much!
I’ll have this forum as speed dialling key from now on, I promise.
And thanks for the explicit/implicit explanation. Now it’s clear to me.

Me again. After creating some bars this way in the score…

…I had a look to the part and a new reason for visiting this thread :wink:

Do I really have to do the same work twice? For score and part?
…help… pls… :blush:

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Select the passage in the score, then click Propagate Properties in the Edit menu.

Sometimes you want the formatting to be different in the score and the parts, for example you might need to tweak the formatting differently for a concert pitch score and a transposing instrument part. Propagate Properties copies the formatting from the score to the parts.

Further to Rob’s point: make sure when you Propagate Properties you’re in the same mode you made the original edits in - that’s sometimes Write mode and sometimes Engrave mode.

Thanks a lot! It makes sense, of course. Just didn’t know about the propagate properties.