How to Condense Vln 1 + 2, Single Players, when Cue from another instrument/vocal is involved?

Hello dear team and colleagues,
I hope you are all doing well during the summer time! :slight_smile:

I was asked to prepare a score for performance, but I’m having a hard time with condensing Vln 1 + 2 (Single Players) when the Cue (from Soprano) is added. I’ve tried everything I know about, but nothing worked in this situation.
Here is the score example (the Soprano staff is hidden, because I’m working only on the Vlns, Vla and Oboe):

I hope it’s possible to condense the violins when Cue is involved! :slight_smile:

Any help is appreciated!

Best regards,
Thurisaz

Provided the cues are at the same position and duration, and cue the same instrument, then the music can be condensed automatically. Perhaps the problem is that you need to enable condensing for section players on the Players page of Layout Options?

That must be the requiem for a canary by Telemann, excellent piece!

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@Thurisaz
I found out that, with a Condensing change (at the beginning of the first system), the Violin 1 and 2 condense also in the first system where the cues are, but the cue is not visible. (Without the condensing change there is no condensing for the first system.)

Here the Dorico file to check:
condensing adjiacent str vs cues.dorico (608.1 KB)

Here the result:

Hello Daniel and colleagues,

Thank you for your feedback on the issue I’m having! :slight_smile:

  1. Daniel, as you can see the Violins on the second system are condensed, which means Condensing is enabled in Players - Layout Options.
  • Most probably this is a bug.
  1. I have tried what @Christian_R did in his comment above. I’ve got the very same result.
  • The Cue notes have just, completely, disappeared from the score…
  1. I’ve had to use Affinity Publisher in order to (“fix the bug”) make it looks as I was asked to. My deadline was yesterday evening.

@k_b , yes it’s the “Kanarienvogel Kantate”, by Telemann. Definitely an excellent piece of music.

Best regards,
Thurisaz

If you’d like to provide the project file, we can determine whether or not there’s a bug here.

Well, @Christian_R already attached such one, in his comment above, that represents the very same issue, but I will do it, too.

Here it is the problematic Flow:
Telemann - Kanarienvogel Kantate - Recitative.dorico (1.1 MB)

Best regards,
Thurisaz

Thanks for attaching the project. I will look into this.

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Hi Daniel,

I’ve checked the latest Dorico update 5.1.50. The condensing issue hasn’t been fixed, yet.
I hope in the upcoming update it will be solved!

Best regards,
Thurisaz

Hi @dspreadbury,

This bug is still present in Dorico Pro 5.1.60, 3 updates after it was reported. It’s a major problem in the Condensing feature.
Please, consider solving it.

Best regards,
Thurisaz

Please don’t bump threads. You’ll know when we have made changes in a particular area of the program because we will write about it in the comprehensive Version History that accompanies each release.

If every user who had an axe to grind about something that doesn’t work to their liking bumped every thread in which they had made their original complaint after each release in which we have either been unable to or chosen not to work on the issue that animates them, the forum would be full of bumped threads and nothing else.

We haven’t yet been able to look into this issue in detail, but it remains on our radar, and it will be investigated in due course.

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Thank you for the reply, Daniel!
Sorry for I have bumped this thread!

Well, this thread isn’t about something related to my personal preferences, but about how the Condensing feature is supposed to work, but in fact it doesn’t. And it’s a major problem, since it forces the users to move to Affinity Publisher, or Adobe InDesign in order to fix the score appearance.

I’m aware that you are now having a serious amount of job after the finale of Finale.

Best regards,
Thurisaz

Hello @Thurisaz
there is an easy workaround for the time being. You don’t need Affinity Publisher or anything else outside Dorico.
You can create an extra player (Violins unisono), use it only for the flows, where they play unisono. Add this player to both violin parts, and remove it from the full score layout.

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