How to hide the automatic restoration clef after a cue?

[MicheleGalvagno]

In an orchestral part with hundreds of bar rests before their first entry, I am being quite generous with cues because I know the players and I know they appreciate that.

In the Flute part, for example, I’m getting this kind of issues:

I hope you agree that the restoration treble clef would be better placed at the end of the system. Adding forced changes in the middle of the cue or before, or after, or wherever, has no positive effect on the issue.

Even in Engrave mode, that clef is impossible to select. I just hate how this specific feature works…

Is there any way to work around this?

Thank you!

[charles_piano]

You could enter a F clef at the beginning of bar 47, scale it locally to 1% in the part (it should disappear in the staff line), hide it locally in the score; then enter a G clef at the beginning of bar 64, and hide it locally in the score.

(I also would prefer a simpler way!)

[John_Ruggero]

Interesting @MicheleGalvagno This is the very question that you provided me with an answer for at:

Extra clefs in cues

The clefs indicated with arrows seem redundant to me, especially after such short rests. [Clefs?] In fact a clef change directly before any multi-measure clef looks strange to me. I would put the clef change directly before the next cue or non-resting measure, if needed. I am not sure that Dorico is adhering standard practice and wonder if there is a way of eliminating these clefs in Dorico. haven’t found anything yet in Gould about this.

I finally was able to deal with it somehow but can’t remember what I did at this moment (I’m back to finishing a Finale project and my Dorico brain is addled), but this is really an area of Dorico that needs attention.

[MicheleGalvagno]

I often (or should I say always?) fail at finding the topics I am looking for in the forum.

I tried several times with several terms and nothing like this ever came up.

I am now bookmarking both this and the previous topic and will hopefully soon have a big enough bookmark library to… also get lost in it!

In any case, the solution I had suggested back then had not helped at all here.

[John_Ruggero]

I have continued to experiment and still cannot find a solution @MicheleGalvagno @charles_piano

The unwanted clefs appear at the arrows:

At A above I selected the following measure rest and changed the clef to a treble clef as seen at B below. This is selectable and I could make it disappear by using @charles_piano suggestion to reduce it to 1%. But now the clef at the beginning of the next line at C changes to a treble clef.

I want to maintain it as a bass clef with the cue clef after it, as recommended by E. Gould.

If I change the clef at the beginning of the next line, it doesn’t maintain the clef for the cue and transposes the cue as well, so this doesn’t work:

Is there some way to maintain the double clefs at the beginning of the second line etc.?

[charles_piano]

@John_Ruggero

Is there some way to maintain the double clefs at the beginning of the second line etc

A tricky one here, with a hidden grace note… Not ideal but it seems to work:

[John_Ruggero]

Thank you so much, @charles_piano That is very clever and what I will try. If it is too laborious, given the many times this will occur in all the non-treble clef parts, I will settle for letting the initial clefs change, hoping that in the near future there is improvement in Dorico’s handling of clefs and other aspects of cueing.